Standalone cab - GK neo212, Schroeder 1210 or Berg AE410

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Rshafer, Jun 19, 2008.

  1. Rshafer


    Dec 21, 2007
    I have a GK 1001RBII and am looking for another standalone cab to match up with it that will be as loud as a 410 for heavy rock. Currently have GK sbx 410 and I am looking to change my SWR goliath jr. 210 and son of bertha 15 for something else. They sound OK together, albeit too hi-fi for my taste, but alone they don't cut it to be useful when I only want to lug one cab.

    Does the Schroeder 1210 really compare to a 410? I love the idea of it's size?

    I have not had a chance yet to try 212's. Are they as loud as a 210 or closer to a 410? I've tried one 12 and that is not nearly enough.

    Here's what I am after in cab tone:

    fast response like with 10's
    good low mid to mid's to cut through
    good tight bottom end, more than billowing low end
    not too sizzling highs, just a touch on the top of notes.
    My EB MusicMan is very sensitive to horns and the highs.
    I roll off my horns and high EQ on my bass almost all the way.

    OR... is the Bergatino AE 410 the way to go?
  2. Beavinator


    Dec 22, 2006
    Irvine, CA
    I'm no "tone-expert," but I know I can get a good range of sounds through my Schroeder 1212L with a bit of tweaking. I actually was using a GK1001RBII until I decided to sell it this week. As far as cutting mids, that's what the Schroeders are known for, and I haven't had any trouble dialing out harsh highs.

    FWIW, I played a few practices with the GK/1212L set-up and never had the master volume past 2 or 3 (active button pushed, gain set low, and boost around 12 o'clock). That rig just gets crazy loud quickly. I bought the amp from Jorg's house, and he let me crank it up in his rehearsal space...let's just say I've never considered turning it up that loud again...
  3. JMDT


    Jan 30, 2008
    Louisville, Ky
    A Schroeder 1210 or 1212 will likely be louder than a typical 410 or atleast the same volume worst case. The 1212 is one of the best cabinets I have tried, it had more low end than the 1210.
  4. Rshafer


    Dec 21, 2007
    Cool guys, hearing nothing but good things about Schroeder.

  5. Sounds like you need a Berg AE410 all the way.
  6. dave_bass5


    May 28, 2004
    London, UK.
    continuing the trend, ill also vote the 1212L.
    I have a 1210R and a new 1212L and the 1212L sounds louder, slightly fuller and has more punch. Not sure if the tone of a 1210 can match a 410 but i would say certainly the volume can.
    I have just sold a UL212 and i was using that last year with both a MB LMII and SA450 and also a GK1001RBII (for a short while). while the UL212 was bigger and sounded fuller it lacked punch and seemed to have muddy lows. totally the opposite to my 1212L in every way. Considering both are 2x12's i couldn't believe the difference. The UL212 sounded better on its own and was nice and warm at small gigs but the 1212L can still fill the room without sounding muddy.
    The top end is also a bit nicer on the 1212L compared to my 1210R (its quite old now). This is the first cab i have used where ive had the tweeter almost full up. adds a nice sparkle without any clank.
  7. Nedmundo

    Nedmundo Supporting Member

    Jan 7, 2005
    Since you have a G-K head and like lots of control over the highs, you'd probably love the Neo212 because you'll be able to use the "horn management system" and control the tweeter's output from the head. My main rig is two Neo 112's, and I think it fits the description of what you want. They have lots of punch, and full-range clarity. They can sound very smooth, but crank the "boost" control on the G-K head and they'll get a little dirty.

    The other cabs mentioned might fit the bill too, but I haven't tried them so I can't make a comparison.
  8. JonathanD


    Dec 13, 2006
    Atlanta, GA
    Same head. I have always loved 10's.
    I now keep a Dr. Bass 2460 cab around. It will get the job done.
  9. el_Kabong


    Jul 11, 2005
    Volume wise my 1212 was loud but not as loud as a ul410. Very pronounced voicing on those small schroe's, good idea to try one before you buy if possible.
  10. I am impressed with the 1212L and 1210R (I haven' checked out a 1210L), and they ares REALLY loud for their size. However, they aren't even in the same universe as a 4ohm AE410 or 4ohm 410UL. That's just physics... not even close if you are considering volume across the full frequency spectrum, including true, deep bass.

    If the OP has enough cash to get the AE410, that IMO is a no-brainer for me.

    However, +1 on the Schoeder... if you like a very mid-punchy, tight tone, and want the loudest ooomph in the smallest box, it is killer. It might even be the same volume as many 410's, but only above 100hz or so:smug:

    IMO and IME.

    Edit: I have not heard the GK Neo. I understand they are also quite mid punchy, and have a high -3db roll-off. However, I also understand they have gone through a recent re-design, and that the new ones aren't quite shipping yet.
  11. el_Kabong


    Jul 11, 2005

    Re the AE410, it might depend on your definition of 'hi-fi'. If you mean high fidelity as opposed to mid scooped then the AE might not be what you're looking for. It's clear and relatively uncoloured, kind of like a good PA cab with a bass friendly voice.

    edit: Hmmm with what you said about turning off the horns and hi eq almost all the way you might be better off looking for a cab that's voiced more that way to start with, the AE has plenty of upper mids/highs. What about things like the NV bergs, accugrooves and maybe some of the aggie range??
  12. Sounds like my Bagend D12 (2x12")

    Mids like a round house kick to the chest, quick & tight throughout the spectrum, and bright in a very subtle way.

    More natural and even sounding then my old 1210 and 1212.
  13. Nedmundo

    Nedmundo Supporting Member

    Jan 7, 2005
    You're right about the update to the G-K Neos. The dimensions of the 112, 212, and 115 are being changed so they'll stack with the newer 210 and 410 models. I think they're getting wider and deeper, but somehow lighter as well. I'm not aware of any other changes, but I assume the larger enclosures will alter the tone somewhat.

    When I found out about this, I ordered my second Neo112 immediately, because I wanted it to stack with my first one. I'm really digging the 2x112 stack.
  14. Rshafer


    Dec 21, 2007
    Thanks everyone for your opinions.
    My meaning of hi-fi is very bright,sizzling, upper freq's and that is super sensitive to string touch, etc., not so much as mid scooped. It's seems to me my SWR's are big for this.