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Starting a band - personnel turnover

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by BobWestbrook, Dec 9, 2013.

  1. BobWestbrook

    BobWestbrook Mr.

    Mar 13, 2006
    Philly suburb
    I started a band 3 1/2 years ago. We are still going strong now with good people, but it takes a lot of patience to find the right people. Here's a chart of our band members over time. Purple is drummers, orange is keyboards, blue is guitarists, red is singers.

  2. ChrisB2

    ChrisB2 Bass... in your fass

    Feb 27, 2008
    TalkBass > Off Topic
    Cool chart.

    You had three singerbabes at one time?? Gah!!! :p
  3. Nashrakh


    Aug 16, 2008
    Hamburg, Germany
    Your personnel turnover at the drums is quite amazing in such a short time!
  4. Space Pickle

    Space Pickle

    Apr 15, 2013
    hey you made one of those wikipedia charts

  5. hrodbert696

    hrodbert696 Supporting Member

    What did Tia do?

    Well, basically it looks like you hit a rough patch, what is it, 1 1/2 - 2 years ago? Couldn't keep a drummer, lost your keys and guitar players. That happens. But it also looks like you've got a solid 4-piece for the last year or so, which is all good.
  6. Gaolee

    Gaolee It's all about the polyester

    It's amazing how finding the right chemestry can make a band fly or crash. The drummer was the final piece for us. She's solid and fits in perfectly, and just having her play made the rest of sound better. It was the right fit. Another drummer with the same skill level would have just been another drummer. There are four of us, and it works very well as a unit even though we are all completely different.
  7. iriegnome

    iriegnome Bassstar style Supporting Member

    Nov 23, 2001
    Kenosha, WI 53140
    Wow.. in 14 years of being with my band we have had 1 member change and really that was only because he went to jail... Actually, if he cleaned up, he would probably be able to come back into the band
  8. Personnel turnover is inevitable unless there is some super strong binding factor such as long term contracts with management and agency and record label. This topic cropped up recently and I quoted the fact that Queen would fold up without a lead singer post Freddie Mercury. Well, it was possible to replace him although that seemed to be a short term job.
    If you look at century old sports teams, are there any original members still turning out? Of course not and even the BBC Radio 2 Big Band has personnel changes. I know it is a simple graphic chart that you have created and Bob is the only constant, but it would have been in pen and ink 45 years ago in our neck of the woods!!! It is immediately obvious over the time period using colours for each instrument where everyone slotted in. I approve of that!

  9. Pretty :D
  10. callofcthulhu


    Oct 16, 2012
    What are teal and grey?
  11. BobWestbrook

    BobWestbrook Mr.

    Mar 13, 2006
    Philly suburb
    Grey - she took a leave to get married. Teal (Tia) - she tried out for drummer but skills weren't there yet. Offered her percussionist position, which she accepted, but didn't last long.
  12. Space Pickle

    Space Pickle

    Apr 15, 2013
    Behind each square is a story!
  13. Stumbo

    Stumbo Wherever you go, there you are.

    Feb 11, 2008
    So. Cal.
    Looks like 5 piece now. Drummer switched to keys.

    Keep on keepin' on!
  14. hrodbert696

    hrodbert696 Supporting Member

    True - but only in the last square. What's a square here, two months or something? The same 4 people have been steady in the last 8 squares or so.
  15. obimark


    Sep 1, 2011
    I have to ask with my PM background- what is your timescale (how much time is each square?)
  16. BobWestbrook

    BobWestbrook Mr.

    Mar 13, 2006
    Philly suburb
  17. BobWestbrook

    BobWestbrook Mr.

    Mar 13, 2006
    Philly suburb
    Not an exact scale, but approximate. I was not ambitious enough to look up the exact start and end date of everyone.
  18. PauFerro


    Jun 8, 2008
    United States
    They say you two out of the golden triangle of band experiences to keep retention high.

    The triangle is good friends, good money, and good music.

    If you have a lot of turnover, which of these are missing from your band? Or are there other factors at play not covered in this model?
  19. iriegnome

    iriegnome Bassstar style Supporting Member

    Nov 23, 2001
    Kenosha, WI 53140
    When my band 14 years ago let out singer and rythem guitarist go, there was another band that went through drummers and bassists like most people change socks. They hopped in our our gig and never looked back. People have to be like minded in the goal for a band and have to be able to work out differences (fight) and still keep that goal in mind. It is a very difficult thing to do.