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Steve Harris extremely sloppy in these isolated live tracks

#61
handofseven said:
Sorry bro, but there's no way that's Steve Harris. Totally fake. Sounds like a novice, just learning the song. I'll bet Steve Harris can play Aces High in his sleep.
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No doubt dude. .that is the hallmark of maiden being the intricate syncopated rhythms Harris plays..often 16th with the 4th left out coupled with a 16th pause and 2 or 3 more 16ths...he invented these riffs...anyone who thinks that isnt some duesh looking at his reflection in the chrome pick guard of his blue fender harris p is kidding themselves ...with a pick. Absolute nonsense..
 
#63
I'd buy it's him. At first I didn't, but then I thought, if this is live these songs are likely towards the end of the set, he's been running around all night, playing fast 16ths all night, putting on a show all night, climbing risers and monitors all night and so on and so forth. Studio Harris is likely a much different player. Plus, who knows how good he could hear himself.
 
#66
That's not Harris, IMHO. The original tracks sound like they have 5th double stops in several places while the solo track does not. Also sounds like there could be edits on the solo track, specifically :26 is the sound I'm hearing of an edit. Also the timing is rock solid on the original and the solo is way off. The solo track has a different tone for sure but that could be due to being pre-mix and mastering.
 
#70
Marial said:
I find a lot of these isolated tracks reveal imprecision, some more-so than others. Listening to some of The Ox's solos in isolation might make one wonder why he's held in such high regard too. These are still human beings making music, and in a live context, especially when running around like a madman like Steve Harris does, it's to be expected it isn't going to be studio perfect.
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Exactly my thoughts. I've heard those OX isolated tracks and he sounds prettty bad in them. Harris runs around the stage while he is playing so his playing will not be as if he is in the studio.
 
#72
Is it the best isolated track I have ever heard? Nope.

My thought process?

Size of Steve Harris' checking account, car collection, and bass collection?

Steve wins !

Anyone hear Keith Richards play live lately. It is horrific at best. Not that he was ever a Clapton, SRV or Hendrix in his hey day.

At Steve's age, running around like he does, I'd be pounding coffee and all hopped up on Centrum Silver........and not quite as concerned about the possibility of someone isolating my bass track to count clams or critique my timing.
 
#75
It sounds like the same tracks to me. Being heard in the context of a live band you can't hear the mistakes. Keep in mind...we hear what we want to hear. Hits on the drums, guitar accents, they can make us think we hear things that aren't actually here. And that can cover up minor mistakes.

Thats why recording is so difficult...you hear everything when you go isolated.

But I challenge any TB'er to do a better job playing that song in front of that many people AND put on the show Mr. Harris does. Why does that matter? Because thats a huge part of what Maiden is. And I believe it was Beethoven that said something to the extent of "To miss a note is forgivable, to play without passion is inexcusable."
 
#79
Pacman said:
No way that's him. Pick, roundwounds, amateur.
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+1....u can hear those root-5th double stops on live track and not iso. Totally someone else. End of discussion. ..if u deny there r those doubles on the live track then yes...its YOUR ears. I have known this song for some..hell 20 to 25 years now and after I listened to those trscks 8 grabbed my bass w no warmup and sat down and hammered it I out easy while watching tv. Jamerson laid down drunk off his assmi and did flawless recordings
 
#80
billiam5billion said:
All I know is, I'm so freakin' glad nobody ever isolated my live tracks, I've put some stinkers out there! I was in the studio recently putting down some very basic country stuff, just fifths and whatnot, and my tracks in isolation sounded pretty bad. Sitting in the mix though, they were dead on.

It's the P-bass syndrome-sounds weird in your bedroom alone, but sits on top of the kick drum like a champ.
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that's pretty true. even the best bass tracks are revealed to have surprising rhythmic inconsistencies when isolated. and yet they sound great in the full mix. it's because we're humans. each person in the band is making his own small deviations from the tempo and reacting to those of everyone else. so the whole is cohesive while the parts are flawed. obviously it's way worse in a live context.

however this is no excuse for extreme sloppiness.
 

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