Yesterday, my favorite store got some Stingrays in for a long time. I played s really nice natural finish Classic. I figured out "Smooth Operator" from memory since it is a classic line played on a 'Ray. I turned down the treble for a better finger tone, and it sounded great. Since I has my TL-5, I took it out and played the same line. It blew me away that after the Stingray, my Peavey sounded as low as an EBO! I guess I finally get the perspective of those who say you can't tame a Stingray's highend.