Strange New Band, how does one deal with culture shock?

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by Low_End_IIA_Vic, Apr 5, 2012.

  1. Low_End_IIA_Vic

    Low_End_IIA_Vic Guest

    Mar 29, 2008
    New Jersey
    so i was recently picked up by a friend of a friend to play bass in his newly professional band. i am used to playing small/medium venues and being the the guy that does everything except lead rehearsal, where i usually just lay back and play my lines.

    the band that i am in now is handled by a manager and producer team. they get us our gigs and are helping us with writing before we actually release this summer.

    I feel like I'm being treated more as a hired gun versus a band member. all i really do is go to rehearsal and practice. it's easy but i want to do more. the singer/guitarist doesn't disclose too much information about anything, but he's always been that way. i don't know if I'm in a situation where i'll be treated as a band member or as a hired musician.

    insight from experience would be great!
  2. hdracer


    Feb 15, 2009
    Elk River, MN.
    How's the pay?
  3. LiquidMidnight


    Dec 25, 2000

    +1 A profesional band in which I get to deal with a professional management team without all of the management headaches...sign me up.
  4. tycobb73


    Jul 23, 2006
    Grand Rapids MI
    Talk to everyone and get on the same page
  5. MatticusMania

    MatticusMania LANA! HE REMEMBERS ME!

    Sep 10, 2008
    Pomona, SoCal
  6. hahahaha! good one!
  7. soulman969

    soulman969 Inactive

    Oct 6, 2011
    Englewood, Colorado
    Well let's see, you're from NJ so you can probably appreciate this. Wasn't everyone in the E Street Band one of Bruce Springsteen's side men? I think Clarence Clemons was one of the best known "hired guns" in the business. Go with the flow brother.
  8. Mystic Michael

    Mystic Michael Hip No Ties

    Apr 1, 2004
    New York, NY
    Has your specific role in the new band ever been discussed with you? Specifically, what were you told about the opportunity and the requirements at the time you said "sign me up"? What was your understanding of the opportunity and the requirements at that time, and on what basis? Has there been any discrepancy between those terms and your subsequent experience in the band? :confused:

    I'm not quite sure what the problem is. Must be something is missing that you're not telling us... :eyebrow:

  9. Joe Nerve

    Joe Nerve Supporting Member

    Oct 7, 2000
    New York City
    Endorsing artist: Musicman basses
    Ya might wanna look this over .

    A lot depends on how much you want to be in this band, what sacrifices you're willing to make, and how much you think they're willing to do things differently.

    I've found also that sometimes things change for the better as you fall more into place. They could just be testing the waters, and even if not, it looks like you'll have to prove yourself if you want to be a true member and not get treated as hired gun. A very very successful bass playing dude I know once told me you have to somehow make yourself indespensible. Tough thing to do though... there are lots and lots of talented bass players out there looking for gigs. Singing helps. :)
  10. I don't know about Bruce, but the guys in Jon Bon Jovi's band have been paid employees since day one.
  11. thorplaysbass

    thorplaysbass Guest

    Aug 16, 2011
    Nashville, TN
    What tycobb said. Don't let yourself get tangled in it if you don't even know exactly what the it is.

    Is it the band members or the management team that makes you feel more like a hired gun?

    From what I've been threw (which isn't much compared to most people here giving advice) the person that is supposed to be a producer sometimes ends up taking too much control. Ending up owning the band and having an ultimate say, that's not what a producer is supposed to do. At least not how I see it, they're supposed to be another member with an outside ear and know how that helps.
  12. Low_End_IIA_Vic

    Low_End_IIA_Vic Guest

    Mar 29, 2008
    New Jersey
    The lack of involvement is what's making me feel like a hired gun, at the time that I joined the band I was already working with another group but my priorities quickly changed when I was informed of how serious the group was on the verge of becoming.

    The pay is alright, everything is equal in all ways right now, and the gigs are all fun and positive experiences.

    There are things going on on the business end that I have to pry a bit to get but I seem to always get the information that I want.

    I already changed my whole rig to serve the sound of the band. I guess I should just ride the wave for now huh?
  13. Low_End_IIA_Vic

    Low_End_IIA_Vic Guest

    Mar 29, 2008
    New Jersey
    The management team, they're aloof with the drummer and I about things things so most of the information that we get comes from our guitarist and singer. We haven't committed to a producer as of yet but I don't think that will be a big problem when we do
  14. mellowinman

    mellowinman Free Man

    Oct 19, 2011
    I like a professional production. I once worked in a five star restaurant, and I was hurt by how cold everyone was to me. One day, one of the top waiters told me, "man, nobody wants to get attached to you; for all they know, you won't last the week." They saw people come and go.

    Bottom line: in a PRO production, you have to EARN some respect. Show up on time; play your best; be your best; and think of it as a stepping stone to something else; something called a CAREER.

    I think you're probably in a good situation, but don't let anyone walk on you, either.
  15. bluewine

    bluewine Inactive

    Sep 4, 2008
    Even Richie?

  16. kentiki


    May 14, 2008
    Even Richie. Last year 60 Minutes did a profile on Bon Jovi and Richie talked about the fact that they were all employees. He also said that it worked out better than he could have ever imagined.