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Sub Opportunity (Sort Of) - Advice Please

Discussion in 'Band Management [BG]' started by jaywa, Jan 27, 2013.

  1. jaywa


    May 5, 2008
    Iowa City, IA
    The lead guitarist in my current band (along with other members of his former band) is being inducted into my state's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and as part of the ceremony they will be playing a 6-song set. Other bands are also being inducted at this event and will each be playing a short set as well.

    The band's original bassist can't participate due to health issues, and the band has a couple of other former members who have said they could play bass for the gig (even though bass isn't their main instrument) but they live in other parts of the country so they couldn't do any rehearsals. So my LG asked if I would play bass for the rehearsals and in the meantime he's gonna try and get the BL to just use me for the actual gig as well... but no guarantees.


    1) A (potentially) great chance to increase my network and get "exposure" as a bassist

    2) Would help out my LG (who is also a pretty good friend of mine)

    3) Rehearsal commitment wouldn't be extensive (2 sessions of 3 hrs each). Songs are all covers (most of which I've played before in other bands), so shouldn't be a lot of shedding time required.

    4) Could be a nice high-profile gig (IF I get to play it); full P.A., lots of publicity, huge attendance by current and former area musicians, etc.


    1) No guarantee I'll get to play the ceremony... may be rehearsal time spent for nothing.

    2) No pay (for either rehearsals or the ceremony if I should play it).

    3) LG says several of the members haven't played for a LONG time, and the only rehearsal we'll get with the full band would be a couple of nights before the show. If I play the set with them and it doesn't go well is it my reputation on the line?

    Thoughts? I'm leaning towards doing it but wondering if there are any red flags I haven't thought of. Thanks in advance.
  2. SirMjac28

    SirMjac28 Patiently Waiting For The Next British Invasion

    Aug 25, 2010
    The Great Midwest
    I think it will be an honor to play congrats for even being thought of and I wouldn't worry about members not playing for some time they are being inducted for a reason they must have some chops and if you sound good people will know it's not you messing up.
  3. mellowinman

    mellowinman Free Man

    Oct 19, 2011
    I wouldn't hesitate.
  4. jaywa


    May 5, 2008
    Iowa City, IA
    Yeah... the BL is also the drummer and I've found it never hurts to make a good impression on drummers.
  5. TomB

    TomB Supporting Member

    Aug 24, 2007
    ...of course you should.
  6. Auguste


    Apr 5, 2012
    Probably televised as well ? ? ?

    Sounds good to me!
  7. bluewine

    bluewine Banned

    Sep 4, 2008
    If you are unknown and trying to get your foot in the door of your local scene it seems like a good idea.

  8. jive1

    jive1 Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jan 16, 2003
    Owner/Retailer: Jive Sound
    If you like the folks and the music, you have 2 out of 3 sides of the triangle of musical fulfilment. Go for it.
  9. JakeF


    Apr 3, 2012
    I feel you want to.

    I feel your going to.

    I feel we all agree and support this decision.
  10. jaywa


    May 5, 2008
    Iowa City, IA
    I told him I'd do it.

    If I wind up getting bounced for the actual performance, maybe I can still at least get a comp ticket out of it or something.

    Thanks for y'all's insights.
  11. JohnMCA72


    Feb 4, 2009
    If you get bounced, make them feel bad enough to make it up to you with referrals, introductions, etc.
  12. RustyAxe


    Jul 8, 2008
    If it's all covers why can't their #1 bassist choice just do the gig? Six hours of rehearsal to play six covers? What's the sense of rehearsing if you don't do the gig? I'd pass unless I was told the gig was mine, too. I'll be damned if I'd be used as a rhythm machine so the band can rehearse with the bass they don't have. Just one guy's opinion, of course.

    Wait till they tell you that you'll have to supply the other guy with a bass and amp.
  13. jaywa


    May 5, 2008
    Iowa City, IA
    The original members of this band are all around 60 yrs old if not older. (I'm 46 FWIW.) The original bassist is fighting cancer and doesn't live around here so he's not even gonna make the trip. It's a horn band and I guess one of the horn players and the keyboardist have said they can double on bass but the LG would rather they just stay on their main instruments, plus he doesn't know how long it's been since they even picked up a bass whereas I'm playing pretty much every weekend in one band or another.
  14. I am confused as to why such a "fabulous and famous" band would not be willing to pay a hired gun to sub. Especially at such an important and high profile performance.
  15. jaywa


    May 5, 2008
    Iowa City, IA
    To clarify...

    I haven't been told I WON'T get paid. But I haven't been told I will, either. So the assumption is this is a favor.

    I haven't raised the issue and don't intend to. If they want to toss some coin my way that's great but I'm not going to count on it or demand it. Some of the original band members are flying in from out of state so they're already going pretty deep in-pocket just to be here.

    Usually I'm pretty big on the bottom line but in this case, if I get to play a big stage with a lot of muso's in the audience and I get a free meal out of the deal, I'm good with it.
  16. Phalex

    Phalex Semper Gumby Supporting Member

    Oct 3, 2006
    G.R. MI
    What Jive said. He pretty much summed up what I was gonna say, but he used a lot less words.

    Do it!! (And keep it simple.)
  17. SteveC

    SteveC Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Nov 12, 2004
    North Dakota
    I'd do it only if I was doing the gig. My time is worth something. I think I could deal with the no pay if I new I was getting all the exposure.
  18. pklima


    May 2, 2003
    Kraków, Polska
    I guess it's not gonna kill you to play one free gig, but is it actually big? How many people were at last year's ceremony? I don't know how big state halls of fame really are, but I've played "international arts festivals" which were pretty lame and sparsely attended. So I'd check...
  19. Heck, I'd do it.

    You'd be doing your LG a favour for a gig of great exposure, probably a packed house... A bit of extra practice won't kill ya.

    Money ain't everything.
  20. bluewine

    bluewine Banned

    Sep 4, 2008
    Sure it is, that's why they call it money.:D