Sub-Short Scale Talk

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by SBassman, Apr 3, 2010.


  1. SBassman

    SBassman

    Jun 8, 2003
    Northeast, US
    I won't give up on 25/26 inch scale basses.

    I really think it is an untapped market. Hindered only by - the lack of strings.

    I'll bet even just 110's will yield enough tension - if they are DAddario Half Rounds. [the tension lists on their site show that the Halfs have quite a bit more tension than rounds.]

    If there was a no-hassle set of strings to purchase for these 25/26 inch basses, I really think it would take off. Think of all the guitar players out there who'd love to have a bass at the same scale as their guitar.
     
  2. n4vgm

    n4vgm

    Jun 4, 2003
    SE Florida
    Nice Mikro, NoiseNinja, I think the stripe works well. As far as guitar scaled basses I modded a 25.5 scale travel guitar this way. 1) Defretted it (based on info from unfretted.com forum) 2) installed thickest guitar strings I could find (don't remember the gauge at the moment) but the top 3 were round wounds the lower 3 flat wounds. 3) Tuned it A -A and made the action super low. With defretted guitars what seems to work is very low tension.

    Kindof a weird instrument. You can sort of play bass on the low strings and the high stings are more of a a midrange sitar sound.

    I did find it hard to finger accurately but it would be usable as a bass instrument. I still have it but don't have time to play it much. Evey time I do I want to play more.
     
  3. ddawson2012

    ddawson2012

    Aug 30, 2011
    Farmingdale, NY
    D'Addario Marketing Specialist; Don Dawson
  4. SBassman

    SBassman

    Jun 8, 2003
    Northeast, US
  5. TheEmptyCell

    TheEmptyCell Bearded Dingwall Enthusiast Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2005
    Los Angeles, CA
    I'd prefer rounds myself. There's definitely potential for guitar-scale, bass-gauged strings, not only for tuning these mini basses to E standard, but for extended range guitars. If you developed a 25.5" scale set with similar tension to a .105 set on a 30" scale bass, I'd be set!
     
  6. SBassman

    SBassman

    Jun 8, 2003
    Northeast, US
    Well, if they ever tested this, I'm sure they'd start with rounds since rounds probably sell more than halfs. But, halfs Are a nice middle ground for this, and, the DAddario half design has significantly more tension.

    Anyway - we're dreaming. :crying: :D
     
  7. SBassman

    SBassman

    Jun 8, 2003
    Northeast, US
    BTW - I just re-strung my shortie today - with DD Halfs.

    I didn't bother with replacing the ends. I just cut them and put them on. Flats are brittle enough that they'd just crack, but, the halfs are flexible enough that they went on without coming apart.
     
  8. TheEmptyCell

    TheEmptyCell Bearded Dingwall Enthusiast Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2005
    Los Angeles, CA
    Did you just cut them at the headstock end? Unwind any of the outer wraps? How do they play?
     
  9. SBassman

    SBassman

    Jun 8, 2003
    Northeast, US
    Yup - I cut them at the headstock end. Shoved them in the tuner hole. Went very slowly in the beginning trying to have it wrap with a round loop, not a hard angle that would crack.

    Flats definitely crack. These, with care, don't. They went on fine.

    Too soon to say anything about stability. But, I like the halfs very much. I think they sound really good.

    The store only had 100s. I wanted to use 110s. Next time.
    I'll have to order them.
     
  10. ddawson2012

    ddawson2012

    Aug 30, 2011
    Farmingdale, NY
    D'Addario Marketing Specialist; Don Dawson
    I can mention it in our product development meeting. However, one of the other posts relates to the market demand and that certainly comes into play. A selection of single strings might be a more realistic option if it were to happen. I'll mention in our monthly meeting and see what kind of feedback comes of it. Thanks!
     
  11. SBassman

    SBassman

    Jun 8, 2003
    Northeast, US
    Much appreciated, Don.

    I know your company knows this, but, sometimes you gotta put it out there to Create the market demand. If such a string required a billion dollars of R&D :) of course it wouldn't make much sense.
    But if there is a cost effective way to take an existing design like the Halfs and build those with perhaps even higher tension, it would be worth manufacturing a small run to see what happens.
    I think there are lots of short scale lovers who'd raise their hands to try getting a 25/26 inch scale bass set up. The guitarists would love it.

    Again - thanks for listening.

    Frank
     
  12. SBassman

    SBassman

    Jun 8, 2003
    Northeast, US
  13. I didn't have time to read everything, but what's wrong with 30" scale basses?
     
  14. TheEmptyCell

    TheEmptyCell Bearded Dingwall Enthusiast Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2005
    Los Angeles, CA
    Nothing is 'wrong' with 30" scale basses. Just like there is nothing 'wrong' with Warwick, Bordwell or Peavey. All a matter of preference. We're here discussing basses shorter than that... 25.5" to 28 5/8" scale so far. There's something to be said for the extreme portability of these 'mini' basses. If only strings were readily available.
     
  15. If transport is the goal, headless is an option. Rob Allen's bridge placement, scale length, and headstock make it the size of a guitar!

    I'm sure a company like Curt Mangan could make strings if desired and in sufficient number. I'm not sure if the end result is all that great when shortening the scale length beyond a certain point. Ya solve one problem, only to create 2-3 more.
     
  16. TheEmptyCell

    TheEmptyCell Bearded Dingwall Enthusiast Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2005
    Los Angeles, CA
    There are many hurdles to jump here, and we've been working together in this thread to try and find solutions to all our problems.

    I've contacted a couple companies, actually, and they're just too busy to do the R&D for strings of this sort. Octave4Plus will make whatever you want, but it takes a while and they aren't the easiest people to deal with.

    It's not just transport, it's playability and the inherent 'something' that one feels for an instrument. There's just something exceedingly awesome about playing a Strat scale bass guitar.
     
  17. ddawson2012

    ddawson2012

    Aug 30, 2011
    Farmingdale, NY
    D'Addario Marketing Specialist; Don Dawson
    I can't say i know much about the OEM bass strings we make for Beaver Creek but it's a really fun bass to play. I can ask if anything specific was requested for that line and follow up.
     
  18. SBassman

    SBassman

    Jun 8, 2003
    Northeast, US

    That's how I feel.
     
  19. SBassman

    SBassman

    Jun 8, 2003
    Northeast, US
    If only the bass was marketed in the U.S.
    I think it would steal UBass market share instantly.

    Anyway, if you could uncover anything about the design of those strings, it would be appreciated.
     
  20. There seems to be a lot of wishing going on here. I'm sure string companies would make you strings if you'd order sufficient numbers.
     
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