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SVT... Dislike?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by MoeTown1986, Aug 27, 2012.

  1. MoeTown1986

    MoeTown1986 Supporting Member

    Sep 14, 2010
    SoMD (Mechanicsville)
    So my band played the new Maryland Live Casino in Arundel Mills last night and they have and in house SVT Classic head and a 410HFL cab. I have never actually played an SVT rig and was pretty excited to finally do so. (i usually play SWR or Hartke rigs)

    anywho, i eq'd and eq'd that thing all night long. played with the gain and master as well and could not get it to sound right in my head.

    i know these are supposed to be the "standard" in bass rigs but i just couldnt stand what i was hearing. it was all low end, boomy, muddiness. it sounded decent on our hard driving rock songs but any pop, hip-hop, country stuff, it was terrible. No "life" and just didnt "sing" to me like i had hoped. guess im just a sucker for hifi articulate amps and cabs.

    anyone else feel this way, or am i crazy?? :bag:
  2. fenderhutz

    fenderhutz Supporting Member

    Jan 28, 2007
    Harpers Ferry WV
    You need another cab under that head for a real opinion. I don't like the way a SVT sounds on a HLF cab, it sucks the nice growly mids right out of it. You would have better off with a 2x15, 810, or a 410HE cab.

    The 410HLF can sound boomy and muddy. I had the PRO-410HLF and a standard. Without the right EQ they weren't great.
  3. MoeTown1986

    MoeTown1986 Supporting Member

    Sep 14, 2010
    SoMD (Mechanicsville)
    exactly! i had the mids on 10, bass on 3-4, and treble on 7-8, still couldnt get it to bite. just went "woof woof"

    i think the amp needs a tight sealed 410 maybe?
  4. JGR

    JGR The "G" is for Gustav Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jun 29, 2006
    President, CEO, CFO, CIO, Chief Engineer, Technician, Janitor - Reiner Amplification
    Yeah, I've owned that exact rig and it's definitely the cab.
  5. Dave W

    Dave W Supporting Member

    Mar 1, 2007
    White Plains
    The amp needs an 810 :)
  6. it's the cab. not really a great combination. also the SVT needs to be played loud to come to life. not neccessarily to the point of power tube distortion but close.
  7. DiabolusInMusic

    DiabolusInMusic Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism Supporting Member

    I do have some dislike for the SVT because it isn't your basses tone it is the SVT's tone. Which is fine for some folks, but I do not enjoy it.

    A part of it is the cab, but if your into hi-fi clean(er) sounding amps, you cannot really get that tone out the SVT, the closest you will get is by pushing in the high boost button.
  8. I played through one at the Fillmore in silver spring with an 810 under it and it was the same thing. Pretty muddy. I prefer solid state stuff too.
  9. Hapa


    Apr 21, 2011
    Tustin, CA
    An all tube SVT is not my first choice, however I do like it for what it is. I have used them dozens of times from a backlines, SVT's have plenty of life. Like previously mentioned the mojo is having an 810 or two underneath it.
  10. MoeTown1986

    MoeTown1986 Supporting Member

    Sep 14, 2010
    SoMD (Mechanicsville)
    Had it hi boosted. Helped a little bit.
  11. MoeTown1986

    MoeTown1986 Supporting Member

    Sep 14, 2010
    SoMD (Mechanicsville)
    I'm with you there. Or hybrid amp.
  12. MoeTown1986

    MoeTown1986 Supporting Member

    Sep 14, 2010
    SoMD (Mechanicsville)
    I've definitely gotta try that. Never played that set up. Used a Hartke 3500 with a Hartke 810 and loved it!
  13. majortoby


    Jul 2, 2009
    Tampa, Fl USA
    It was the cab, IMO
  14. godofthunder59

    godofthunder59 God of Thunder and Rock and Roll Supporting Member

    Feb 19, 2006
    Rochester NY USA
    Endorsing Cataldo Basses, Whirlwind products, Thunderbucker pickups
    I like the V4B much better or even the B25B over the SVT. Most of my stuff is British, Hiwatt, Marshall, Sound City etc. The SVT was never a match for me and I have had 4 or so blue line over the years.
  15. MoeTown1986

    MoeTown1986 Supporting Member

    Sep 14, 2010
    SoMD (Mechanicsville)
    I'd love to try a V4B out! I have an old Pignose B100V head which is all tube and supposedly designed by a former Ampeg employee to sound just like a V4B, and I absolutely love my Pignose. I'd put it up against an SVT any day.
  16. I'm sort of with you there, though dislike might be the wrong word. I love the SVT sound in so many contexts, but I don't really like playing them myself. I find them to be too limited in the upper register, they have a nice punch in the low mids but much less high mid presence, and the EQ points seem to miss these problems and end up doing very little to help me.

    My sound is all about punch and clarity, and the SVT's seem to put out an extreme amount of 250hz that I can't ever seem to dial out. IME this is exactly the area where all of the band muddies together and where it is most difficult for engineers to tidy up, so I usually try to do help them out by getting my low mids under control. With an SVT, this doesn't seem to be an option. This is based on many, many gigs with supplied SVT's (mostly classics and a few SVT-II pro's), but I admit that I have never owned one myself or used one for rehearsals for longer periods of time, so YMMV.

  17. EricF

    EricF Habitual User

    Sep 26, 2005
    Pasadena, CA
    I don't dislike the SVT, I just found that I like the Aguilar DB750 more. It's all the things I like about the SVT tone, but something extra, too.
  18. MoeTown1986

    MoeTown1986 Supporting Member

    Sep 14, 2010
    SoMD (Mechanicsville)
    I'm with you on this now that I think about it. A lot of great rock bassists make them sound awesome! Just not for me I suppose!
  19. *gets into flame proof suit and hides*

    i really dont like most modern svt's. i liked the older tube ones but the solid state ones always just seem a bit "meh" to me. i was playing into the svt 8x10. they sound a bit flabby on the low end and even with a low impedence passive bass im constantly hitting the limiter. i dont even play that hard. i dont even think they're that loud. i mean my bassman 50 seems louder than it.
  20. christw

    christw Get low!

    May 11, 2008
    Dayton OH
    I want to be Tesla (tinkerer at Dayton Amp Co)
    I find this is my biggest issue with most any amp on modern Ampeg cabs. The notable exception for me was GK's RBs. I never even liked my SVT's on Ampeg cabs. When I plopped my SVT-II on a Genz Benz 610T XB2 it was the best bass tone I've ever had. My SVT-CL on Bag End cabs also sounded like I've always wanted the Ampeg cabs to. I even sold the 610HLF I bought the CL with immediately. :ninja:

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