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SWR 750x vs. EBS TD650

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by bassbrother, Jun 20, 2005.


  1. bassbrother

    bassbrother

    May 9, 2005
    I'm thinking of buying a SWR 750x or a EBS TD650 amp. Does anyone have experience with these two amps?
     
  2. I'm looking at buying the EBS TD650 myself - I tried out the SWR SM-900 against an Ampeg SVT4-PRO and was not impressed with the SWR at all, but then again, I wasn't happy with my workingman 15 either - I guess I'm just not a big fan of the SWR stuff... Now the fight between the TD650 and the Ampeg is still on! The ampeg is way cheaper for me over here and is more powerful, but apparently they are about the same volume...?

    I guess it comes down to what you are looking for?

    The SWR is very Hi-Fi, I find it difficult to get enough bottom end without clipping the amp. The Ampeg has huge bottom end and plenty off power, but I find it difficult to get a nice clean tone. The EBS is very tight and punchy but also very expensive, but i think it's more versatile than the other two...

    My Vote EBS...
     
  3. I know there are quite a few 750x users out there, they can probably give you a better idea of that amp specifically...
     
  4. I AB'ed my SWR 750 (older model without the drive and octaver) against a EBS Fafner (like the TD650 but without the drive sim.) when I bought it.
    I happen to like the clear hifi sound of the SWR. I had to turn a lot of knobs to get a sound from the EBS that was just as clear and present as the sound I got from the SWR by just plugging in. The EBS always sounded like it was standing in another room compared to the SWR. On the other hand the EBS might be the more versatile amp of the two, but there's no question that both are high quality. Basically the SWR has a (one) tube preamp, whereas the EBS has a solid state preamp with the opportunity to add either real tube drive or the simulated drive afterwards. So be sure to try out all the different settings of the EBS.

    I've changed the preamp tube in my SWR, and though it's not a major difference I think it's nice and smooth sounding now, and I guess due to the design that a swap has a larger impact on the SWR since all the bass sound goes through the tube here, whereas the EBS only adds tube coloration to the sound.
     
  5. DavePlaysBass

    DavePlaysBass

    Mar 31, 2004
    CO
    I A/Bed an SWR 350x and an EBS HD 350. I ended up with the HD 350. The SWR seemed to have one sound that was not bad, but it seemed "colored" and always there.

    I really dug the HD 350 because it had a seprate bright control relative to the treble control. The "drive" function (Class A tube emulation) really added a nice warm slight overdrive tone. And EBS compression is great stuff. The HD 350 is a very clear, articulate sounding head with a powerful EQ section and some nice features. The Drive can warm things up a bit. The HD 350 is also louder than the SWR 350x. Not sure how that compares to the 650.

    Dave
     
  6. I use a graphic EQ with my SWR 350X and do not have a problem at all getting lowend. By itself, you are correct though.
     
  7. I never have problems with getting enough bottom out of my SWR750. It never clips either.
     
  8. popinfresh

    popinfresh

    Dec 23, 2004
    Melbourne, Aus
    I've always found SWR's great for low end..
     
  9. Bass 350 that was the bee's knee's until i sold it for monetary reasons. I still miss that amp, but now i have the swiss army knife of amps in my mesa m-2000. I do miss the simplicity of the swr, but dual footswitchable tube or solid state pre amps with footswitchable eq'ing on each channel is very very nice.
     
  10. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    i've tried a few EBS, and hands down the winner over the SWR.

    the SWR just doesnt have enough fat bottom end like the EBS. sounds much too thin regardless of the amp. the EBS is full, thick, and yet very defined in the higher registers.
     
  11. +1 for Joker
     
  12. chadds

    chadds

    Mar 18, 2000
    What kind of bass and cord are you using?
     
  13. Who is this question directed at?
     
  14. chadds

    chadds

    Mar 18, 2000
    To Bassbrother.
     
  15. Yeah, I haven't had great results combining my warwick with SWR, my other basses sound better with them...
     
  16. bassbrother

    bassbrother

    May 9, 2005
    Thanks for all your replies! I've played on both amps in the shop and I think I will go for the EBS (although they are both great amps!). The sound of the EBS was a bit more warm and had more bottom then the SWR. And the effects on the SWR are not important to me. I'm really curious how the EBS will be on stage.

    By the way, I play on a Sadowsky 5 string Vintage NYC and a Sandberg Custom thinline 5str. fretless. I use spectraflex cords. I use mostly one, but sometimes two SWR goliath III cabs (Maybe this will change in the near future).
     
  17. Since you seem to have decided on the EBS, you might want to give the 350 a try. I owned both the 650 and 350. They both sound about the same into a 4ohm load (350=350watts, 650=440 watts). The 350 is much lighter, much smaller, and MUCH less expensive. The only thing you would be giving up is some extra watts into 2ohms with the 650, and the true tube overdrive (the 350's emulator sounds great to me).

    So, if you aren't planning to run into 2ohms regularly, save the size, weight and money and go with the HD350!
     
  18. bassbrother

    bassbrother

    May 9, 2005
    Thanks for the advice. At this moment I use a swr amp, 350 watt amp at 4 ohm and 240 watts at 8 ohm. I've noticed that this is not sufficient when I play on large stages. I really don't play that loud, but I've noticed that the amp loses bottom and is less tight in the lows, when it has to work a bit. So in my opinion, I need an amp with a bit of "over-power", so that it can handle each situation easily. Of course the quality of the amp is important in this case, so I will give the HD350 a try as well. Maybe it will confince me, less weight is really attractive to me!!
     

  19. The EBS wattage seems much more conservatively listed to me than the SWR (i.e., it's a really loud 350 watts). So i think the EBS350 would give you more ooompth that the SWR of the same wattage. Since I usually run one 4ohm cab, I found the 650 rather underpowered at 440 watts given it's very large size (3 rack spaces) and very high price. However, I never did try it at 2ohms, which is where it's really designed to run.

    Have you tried a Thunderfunk550? It's plenty loud and very small and light, and very affordable (I think the sell price is abou $1,100 with the 'switch' option and rack ears. Give one a listen... it's what I replaced my EBS amps with. It doesn't have that trademark EBS sizzle in the treble range, but seems to have more punch and usable bottom at high volumes. I've used it outside with an Epi410UL at 4ohms and it really did crank.

    Good luck with whatever you decide... they are all good amps. :)
     
  20. bugbass

    bugbass

    Apr 8, 2004
    Norway
    The EBS is a very good chioce, and you should also give the EBS cabs a try. The EBS 410 is a killer, plays louder than the goliath III.
    Why don`t you sell the Goliath`s a go for a 350 and a 410 cab?
    Ps! The TD650 has more headroom than the 350 at 4 ohm, even if the difference in watts isn`t that much