SWR Goliath Jr. vs. Goliath Jr. II/III

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by jakepaul1, Dec 10, 2005.

  1. jakepaul1


    Jun 30, 2004
    Can someone tell me the difference between a SWR Goliath Jr. vs. Goliath Jr. II or III??

    Much appreciated,

  2. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Different speakers have been used in each model change
    of the juniors. The first models have two rear bass ports.
    The newer jr's have front ports. By now, many of the older
    boxes are starting to shake apart. When SWR was in the
    LA area, I walked my early version into SWR. They used
    liquid nails and "stuff", to make the box more solid. Then
    they tuned the rear ports. This made a huge difference.
  3. jakepaul1


    Jun 30, 2004
    Thanks much - I appreciate the info...
  4. Jason Hollar

    Jason Hollar Jazz & Cocktails Supporting Member

    Apr 17, 2005
    Central Pa
    Although I can't give you technical info like B String I can say I've owned and used several versions of the Goliath cabs.

    I too had a few of the original cabinets...a 4x10, and a 4x8. I ended up selling them because even though they sounded great, they really didn't hold up to the kind of club work I was doing...throwing stuff in vans, lots of club and road dates, etc.

    As such, I moved on to other brands for a few years including a good stint with the Eden stuff. A buddy of mine owns a nice music store and started getting the new Goliath III series in. I was sold. I own a Goliath III Jr. 2x10 which I use for all my upright jazz gigs. I also own a GIII 4x10 which is my main rock/blues/funk cab with electric bass. Stack 'em together and look out! Only problem with this configuration is the 2x10 is not as deep as the 4x10 and the corners don't lock up right. What a drag. I went out and bought a cheap, black rubber car floor mat that fits perfectly between the two cabs and stacks them up right.

    I've had them both for about three or four years now and love them very much. Yes, there are better cabs out there, but for the price, these seem to hold up great and always sound consistently tight from gig to gig.
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  5. IvanMike

    IvanMike TTRPG enthusiast, Happy, Joyous, & Free. Supporting Member

    Nov 10, 2002
    Middletown CT, USA
    a bit more info.....

    the original Goliath and goliath Jr were made by eden. the back of any of those cabs will say made for SWR by Eden on the back panel. they usededen speakers and fostex horns

    the goliath 2 and goliath jr 2 were made by swr with PAS speakers and foster horns but are essentially identical to the original cabs. Eden's 410T cab (not XLT) is almost identical to the goliath 1 and 2, but uses edn drivers and an eden horn. The eden 210T cabs are different than the goliath jr as they use front ports.

    the swr goliath 3 and goliath jr 3 are different designs with front vents and lighter PAS speakers. They also accept higher wattages than the 1 and 2 series. However, i don't like 'em as much as the older models. ;)
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  6. jakepaul1


    Jun 30, 2004
    Thanks guys for he deep knowlege/info - much appreciated... :)
  7. jakepaul1


    Jun 30, 2004
    As a follow-up to my previous question - how do I tell if my Goliath Jr. is a 4 or 8 ohm?

    Thanks, Jason
  8. chadds


    Mar 18, 2000
    Use an ohm meter.
  9. iriegnome

    iriegnome Bassstar style Supporting Member

    Nov 23, 2001
    Kenosha, WI 53140
    I thought that alot of the early SWR's used BagEnd Speakers. Yes??
  10. jakepaul1


    Jun 30, 2004

    Okay, I have an ohm meter and am putting positive-to-positive and negative-to-negative, but it's just cranking the needling all the way over the right and burying it at zero.

    I know that this is elementary to many, but I am sort of a fish out of water with this and just trying to find out how to do it. Any help is appreciated...


  11. cole-emma


    Apr 12, 2004
    Does anyone know if all of the original Goliath Junior cabinets (by Eden)were all 4 ohm or was there a 4 and 8 ohm option as there is with the Goliath III?
  12. chadds


    Mar 18, 2000
    I had 4, one by Eden and it sounded like it, one transitional one and two 2s. They were all 4 ohms and I used them with two sm-400s as they got 220 watts a side at 4 ohms a side. I think the rear porting hurt them when playing outside or on a big stage. When there was a wall they were great at least to the band. Stacking them on their sides is a huge improvement even using one. They project and the bass is tighter. I had a three and it sounded better cranked. The IIs and I, had a sweeter tone with the sweetest being the eden. I am not an eden fan however. It just had sweeter uppermids and highs. Enjoy.
  13. syciprider

    syciprider Inactive

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    The product number will tell you the impedance.

    4410700400 4 ohms
    4410700800 8 ohms
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  14. cole-emma


    Apr 12, 2004
    Thanks for the info. That will be very helpful.
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    Trace Elliot GP7 SM 150 head run with the Golliath Jr. II cab (250w @ 4 ohms)?