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SWR Triad

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by RevGroove, Jun 29, 2003.


  1. RevGroove

    RevGroove Commercial User

    Jul 21, 2002
    Burlington ON Canada
    Manager, Account Services: Long & McQuade Ltd. (Burlington); MTD Kingston Basses International Emerging Artist; Bartolini Electronics Emerging Artist
    Hey gang,

    I'm looking for a heads up on the SWR Triad Cab, a 5, a 10, and a 15 for speakers in one cab, with an internal crossover (5kHz and up, 100Hz-5kHz, and 100khZ and below respectively.

    Anyone use one? I'm going to try one for my funk/R&B gig over the summer, just wanted to know the thoughts and genres of others who use them. Peace!
     
  2. Bard2dbone

    Bard2dbone

    Aug 4, 2002
    Arlington TX
    I've played through one and I loved it. I think it shines best as an extension for a redhead or a metro.
     
  3. JMX

    JMX Vorsprung durch Technik

    Sep 4, 2000
    Cologne, Germany
    Sounds great but it's a little quiet as a standalone.
    Use it with 2x10 or sth. similar.
     
  4. malthumb

    malthumb

    Mar 25, 2001
    The Motor City
    I would tend to agree, though I have yet to use this set-up. I have two Triads. I used to leave one at church and have the other at home for when I played elsewhere. In some venues I've had trouble being heard through one Triad. A few times I've taken both Triads on a gig and it's been nice. I may have to consider trading one for a 2X10. It's a bit much lugging two Triads around.

    Peace,

    James
     
  5. RevGroove

    RevGroove Commercial User

    Jul 21, 2002
    Burlington ON Canada
    Manager, Account Services: Long & McQuade Ltd. (Burlington); MTD Kingston Basses International Emerging Artist; Bartolini Electronics Emerging Artist
    when you say quiet, I'm a little puzzled, cuz this amp is rated to handle 400W at 4 ohms...what amp heads have you guys been using?
     
  6. malthumb

    malthumb

    Mar 25, 2001
    The Motor City
    I'm using an SWR 500. When I say quiet, it's probably more appropriate to say "gets lost in the mix". I don't know if it's that the setup (a 15, a 10, and a horn) somehow gets stepped on in the midst of all the various frequencies, or if it's a direction thing.

    The best sound I get is when I split the channels (two of my basses are stereo. I can send one pick up to each speaker).

    Fact of the matter is, I'm not too knowledgeable about amps and cabs. I plug 'em in and tweak 'til I like what I hear. Some of the "getting lost in the mix" could be a result of over-tweaking.

    Peace,

    James
     
  7. RevGroove

    RevGroove Commercial User

    Jul 21, 2002
    Burlington ON Canada
    Manager, Account Services: Long & McQuade Ltd. (Burlington); MTD Kingston Basses International Emerging Artist; Bartolini Electronics Emerging Artist
    malthumb, do you mic your cab at church, or do you run a direct line? (With my current set up I'm experimenting, I run a direct line from the XLR out as well as mic my 2x10 cabinet and then mix the signal at the board. Did that at a club gig last week, have yet to try it at church.)
     
  8. A friend of mine had one of these which he rented for a weekend. I thought it sounded good, but I agree that a 2x10 would be nice with the triad. It would give it more punch. And besides, 2x10's are just cool !
     
  9. Razor

    Razor

    Sep 22, 2002
    Dallas
    I totally swear by SWR cab's....I had a Triad for a few months before upgrading to a Goliath Senior/Big Bertha.
    The Triad I had performed wonderfully. Only thing I didn't like was that it only seemed to sound it's best when pushing a lot of power through it. I would definately have a powerful amp to push it if I were you. You should be very happy with it should you get one and I agree with those here who mention coupling it with a 2x10.
     
  10. jasonbraatz

    jasonbraatz

    Oct 18, 2000
    Oakland, CA
    when i had my triad it definitely sounded better when i hit it with 1000w vs the 350 it got in my stereo setup (incidentally, with a goliath jr)


    to give you an idea on how inefficient the triad is - i did a little experiment to see if i could get them to be the same percieved loudness, and on my poweramp with the triads channel maxxed out, the 2x10's was at a little over half.


    but that cab definitely sounded GREAT.
     
  11. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Total Hyper-Elite Member Gold Supporting Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    I like Triads. Some people don't. Play one.
     
  12. Im a sock

    Im a sock

    Dec 23, 2002
    Central MA
    I A/B'd a Triad and a Goliath III. I chose the Goliath... its been said above.. the Triad just didn't sound loud enough to me. Otherwise though, it sounded great.
     
  13. malthumb

    malthumb

    Mar 25, 2001
    The Motor City
    MOST of the time I'm playing through it straight. No board, no mic. These are the times when I'm saying one cab off of an SWR 500 get's lost. The times I've miked it our run through a sound board I've had no issues.

    Peace,

    James
     
  14. RevGroove

    RevGroove Commercial User

    Jul 21, 2002
    Burlington ON Canada
    Manager, Account Services: Long & McQuade Ltd. (Burlington); MTD Kingston Basses International Emerging Artist; Bartolini Electronics Emerging Artist
    ...on a gut impulse, I ended up taking a Goliath III 4 ohm 4x10 cab instead. Hooked it up at practice tonite with my 4004 head and 120a dbx Sub. Harm. Synth....

    ...let's just say that myself...and my bandmates...were suitably impressed. Excellent volume. Beautiful tone. The acid test will be our weekly gig at the Gypsy Co-op in Toronto at 815 Queen St. tonite (shameless plug, LOL! :bassist: )

    I think the tens just suit my playing/gigging needs right now. If the 550x had a speaker on/off switch, then I'd be likely going after that too! But that's a whole other thread! Thanks for all your input guys!

    :D
     
  15. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    What do you need a speaker on/off switch for?

    Alex
     
  16. Razor

    Razor

    Sep 22, 2002
    Dallas
    Changing basses quietly w/ no pops and noise from a hot cable tip.
     
  17. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    But you'd still hear that from the PA, and if you just pull the plug out slightly at the amp's input jack you mute everything silently.

    Alex
     
  18. The Triad is a full range hi-fi type cab. As with most of these types of cabs, it isn't as efficient as a straight speaker (like 4x10's etc.) I pushed mine with a Carvin dcm1000 and it needed every bit of it. Not that I ever drove it into clipping, I just feel that it needed a lot of headroom. The tone is pretty flat and much like a PA speaker. I play 5 string and it handled the low b just fine. As for getting lost in the mix? I don't think this is a good stand alone cabinet for a rock band. True, when you standing in front of it your pants are flapping from the lows and your ears are ringing from the highs, these sounds tend to get masked by the cymbals and kick. What you need for rock is that low mid-range punch that sits between the kick drum and electric guitar. This speaker doesn't have a lot of it. You can of course EQ it and that is where you need the extra power. Boosting the low-mids takes extra power. Adding a 2x10 cab (as others have suggested) will probably add the low-mid the cab needs without EQ'ing. If you decide to go with a 2x10 you have another decision. 4 or 8 ohm. Since the Triad is a 4 ohm cab, mating it with a 8 ohm 2x10 with drop you ohms to 2.66 or raise them to 12 depending on how you wire it. If you get a 4 ohm 2x10, your ohms will drop to (2) or raise to (8) again depending on how you wire it. In either case I think you'd be best to use a stereo power amp and power them in parallel mono instead of bridging. In this way you could balance both cabs.
     
  19. RevGroove

    RevGroove Commercial User

    Jul 21, 2002
    Burlington ON Canada
    Manager, Account Services: Long & McQuade Ltd. (Burlington); MTD Kingston Basses International Emerging Artist; Bartolini Electronics Emerging Artist
    Razor is correct concerning my reasons for wanting an on/off switch for the speakers. I mic my cabs usually rather than go direct, so the pop from the PA isn't an issue, cuz it doesn't happen.

    The project I'm working with now sees me sending two signals from the board...DI from the amp and a miked cabinet, but the sound guy is pretty good about muting my channel when I switch, so it's all good.

    Side note: I'm looking into the Planet Waves cable that shorts so that either way, that pop isn't an issue at all.
     
  20. alexclaber

    alexclaber Commercial User

    Jun 19, 2001
    Brighton, UK
    Director - Barefaced Ltd
    Sounds like you've gone for the best cab then - with the Goliath you can just mic one of the tens, possibly towards the centre of the cab so you pick up a bit of the horn sound, whilst the Triad would need separate mics for the different speakers unless you had enough space and isolation to distant mic.

    Alex