Tactile Transducers, Exciters & Bass Shakers

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by flameworker, Dec 20, 2014.

  1. flameworker

    flameworker

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    I was perusing Parts Express for a subwoofer plate amp (I have a very sweet sounding 160 watt amp, but that is just not enough power (i don't think) to get the body quaking anatomy tingling deep bass sound I want, so I'm aiming to get the tight thumping low mids from a 2 x 8 cab, a 2 10 , 2 12, or a 1 15, which I know 160 watts is capable of based on my old Baby Blue from swr.

    I was thinking 300-500 watts in a plate amp attached to a separate subwoofer box that I could use in situations where there wasn't any pa reinforcement, or big stages like the Queen, or the fox, or any "real" stage. The modular system lets me have a one trip in to the studio/coffeeshop/bar gig...well you get the idea..

    Then I stumbled on tech I wasn't even aware of,
    Tactile Transducers, Exciters & Bass Shakers

    has anyone incorporated them into their rigs or pa's?
     
  2. flameworker

    flameworker

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    From PE"Tactile transducers couple directly with solid objects instead of the air, and transmit audio the human brain perceives as sound. The results are surprising -- who would think you could get hi-fi full-range sound from an audio exciter attached to a ceiling tile, or deep sub-bass from a shaker bolted to a wood deck?"

    Bone transmitting?
     
  3. flameworker

    flameworker

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    So, Could I bolt this thing to my 15" cab, run some juice to it from any terrible but loud amp and get crazy deep bass???
    For REALSZ?!?!
    frog.jpg
     
  4. flameworker

    flameworker

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    Clark Synthesis TST329 Gold Tactile Transducer Bass Shaker
    Tactile Sound has been the leader in design and production of tactile transducers for over 10 years. Their unique products are designed to provide the best possible sensory experience, taking music and movie listening to another level. Utilizing the latest in engineering and materials, their products have continually improved into a complete line of one-of-a-kind transducers. Whether you are constructing a home theatre, building a garden sound system, or adding sound to your swimming pool, Tactile Sound has a product that can enhance your experience. Originally developed for military simulation devices, the home theater transducers were specifically designed to provide realistic reproduction of highly dynamic bass-- making explosions, gunshots, and any other bass impacts feel real. Tactile Sound transducers are an essential element of the ultimate home theater experience. By utilizing neodymium magnets in the motor, higher sensitivity and overall output is achieved. Built to military specifications, the Gold can be used to drive small floor areas and seating risers with authority.

    Note: Sales of this product are restricted to North America. Customers outside of North America that purchase this product receive no support or warranty from Clark Synthesis.

    Specifications: • Power handling: 135 watts RMS/400 watts max • Tactile frequency range: 10-800 Hz • Audible frequency range: 20-17,0000 Hz • Impedance: 4 ohms • Transduction force: 2.8 lb-ft/watt • Tactile force peak: 378 lb-ft • Dimensions: 8'' dia. x 2.25'' H.


    thats what i thought the frog thing was. I like the idea of 20hz....anyone who has heard Phil Lesh have the soundman activate the octaver and drop those bombs...man oh man..
     
  5. flameworker

    flameworker

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
  6. flameworker

    flameworker

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    from some guy named mat.--"This device will not replace or enhance the performance of any speaker, it simply vibrates to add affect. Drummers like them mounted to thrones for the kick drum feel and people mount them to couches or home theater risers for a tactile affect during explosions in movies.""

    I hope he is wrong.
     
  7. Scottkarch

    Scottkarch

    Sep 11, 2012
    Chicago
    I've heard of them attached to drummers thrones or on a rider you stand on or under seats in a home theater. I've never heard of anyone using the buttkickers attached to something to make sound though.

    Bolt it to a piece of plywood and go crazy. You'll probably hear or feel something. Look up the frequency response. I think it's for barely audio frequencies and rumble you feel more than hear. And to make really loud 20hz signals probably tales 1000 or multiple thousand watts. Low frequencies take. Ton of power to reproduce.
     
  8. Coolhandjjl

    Coolhandjjl

    Oct 13, 2010
    Appleton
    Hook up a bunch to barstools.
     
  9. Sid the Kid

    Sid the Kid

    Jun 7, 2013
    Illinois
    I used the bass shakers in my car. Mounted to the floor under the front seats they made the floor and seat vibrate a bit and drew the audible soundstage forward because I felt the bass from under me before I heard it from behind me. It kinda bridged the gap.

    As far as the bass shakers themselves they just vibrated. When bolted to something they vibrate the surface they are attached to. They don't make anything louder unless they are vibrating your inner ear hairs, in which case you are doing it wrong. Imagine the energy of a speaker at full xmax with no audio. That is what a tactile transducer is.

    If you just want to feel more bass forget the tactile transducers and buy or build a downfiring subwoofer with the plate amp. Downfiring will eminate more sound 360 degrees, produce more floor vibration, and not detract from your actual bass tone.
     
  10. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    I liken them to blow-up dolls. Sure, the blow-up doll is fun and it works for what it is, but it's still not a real person.

    Not speaking from experience, of course.
     
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  11. El Spearo

    El Spearo

    Jun 12, 2012
    Wellington, NZ
    Reading the first 6 posts was like listening to someone talking to themselves... It was kinda funny!
     
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  12. BassmanPaul

    BassmanPaul Inactive

    OP I do believe that you have altogether too much time on your hands. :)

    Many people have tried to adapt home theatre and car equipment to aid in live music production. Pretty much all have failed. They are simply the wrong tools for the job at hand.
     
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  13. dukeorock

    dukeorock Owner BNA Audio Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2011
    Nashville, TN
    Authorized greenboy designs builder/Owner of BNA Audio
    Pretty sure he nailed it, but if it sounds like a fun project to you, go for it!
     
  14. Bob-I

    Bob-I

    Sep 12, 2014
    My understanding from what I've read in the Internet (so it must be true) is that these devices don't reproduce pitch, they just rattle your bones. They basically take all frequencies below a certain HZ and translate them into a single frequency that is below the range where we can perceive an actual note.
     
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  15. dukeorock

    dukeorock Owner BNA Audio Commercial User

    Mar 8, 2011
    Nashville, TN
    Authorized greenboy designs builder/Owner of BNA Audio
    I've done many tours with in ear monitors. Drummers like them mounted under their thrones and it really does make you think there's a ton of low end and weight in the kick. Early on, I hated IEMs because there was no deep low end making the stage vibrate. For grins, a crew guy mounted a shaker under a flight case lid so I could stand on it and it totally worked....as long as I stayed on the flight case lid :)
     
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  16. Wasnex

    Wasnex

    Dec 25, 2011
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  17. Wasnex

    Wasnex

    Dec 25, 2011
    The transducers are generally low passed and vibrate at whatever frequency is fed to them rather than translating everything to a single frequency.
     
  18. seamonkey

    seamonkey

    Aug 6, 2004
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    Surplus vibrators out of game controllers. As Bob-I mentions it doesn't really need to do pitch. Trigger a shaker and your brain fills in the rest. There's a couple of levels of nerves that are sensitive to vibration, some small vibrations, others large. You don't feel pitch unless the vibration gets to bone conduction in the ear, even then 20hz would be the lower limit for young healthy ears where you could easily feel 20hz or lower.
     
  19. Wasnex

    Wasnex

    Dec 25, 2011
    I would have to take a double blind test to believe a video game shaker would create the same sensation as a true tactile transducer that is capable of tracking both frequency and dynamics. To my understanding video game programmers put quite a bit of effort into trying to trick these crude devices into creating a believable effect. IMHO, they frequently fall short of the goal.
     
  20. lz4005

    lz4005

    Oct 22, 2013
    They are only perceptible to a person who is touching them.
    They are a supplement to in ear monitors. Not a substitute for subs.