I'm sorry for the "dumb statement" comment. What was REALLY going on back then is about as clear as mud. I was re-reading the chapter about the time period involving both Beck and Page between the dismantling of the Yardbirds, the early days of the Jeff Beck Group, and the beginning of Led Zep. Now according to Beck, he says that the JBG was getting no respect or radio time in England and needed to tour the USA to be successful. Beck claims his band was struggling just to eat and that they were living in poverty " we could only afford one set of clothes to take on the road with us". Beck blamed much of their lack-of-exposure and success failures under the poor "bubblegum" management of Micky Most. Beck was contemplating leaving the music business and going into modeling. During that same period, Jimmy Page was raking in the dough as a studio player even while the Yardbirds were deteriorating. When the JBG went to the US to open for acts like The Grateful Dead, they finally got recognized. They really started kicking butt when dumping M. Most and hooking up with Peter Grant. Seeing Beck's recent rise to fame, Page was following the JBG around and taking notes about what was working, and used those ideas to form the foundation of LZ, even being accused by JB of stealing styles such as "You Shook me" from the Truth album. For Beck, the rags to fame time period happened within about 6 months during 1968. Page didn't hit bottom like Beck did, success wise. Anyway, from what I get from this transition period is that the story changes depending on who is being interviewed. It's another debate that goes unresolved. Moscow bass: Thanks for the visual on the "G" string What I look forward to hearing is Rhonda's approach on a tune like " cause we've ended as Lovers". I liked Tal's well exposed Crossroads solo and thought it had a nice emotional intensity to it. I'm guessing Rhonda plays a cool groove on this.....I'm curious to hear it.