I've noticed that some good threads here have been closed due to the bagging of bass players. Fair enough too I think. Love to play 70's funk and disco but don't listen to it all that much. The bass player in heavy metal bands tends to cop it a lot. I personaly don't like playing heavy metal type music because it just isn't what I want to play. But, I listen to heaps of heavy metal music, love and respect it. The bass player is playing what fits the song. It is a band not a solo after all. Robert Trujillo isn't always playing 50 million notes either but I think he's holding back. If you take a good listen to U2 I find the bass to be very muddy and not very inspirational as a player. But I really like U2's music as a whole. I don't know of the bass player that well but my bet is he's a good player. Just playing what fits again. Duff from Guns and Roses was another target. Again he's doing his job perfectly and the band in whole kicks butt. The bass player out of motorhead was asked who he likes as a bass player and he said flea and Paul Mc Cartney. When asked why, he said that he liked Paul Mc Cartney for what he didn't play. Meaning he didn't over do it. Dynamics. Just like Gary Willis who really does this well. So I think bass playing is not about complex chops sounding better by default. Some of the cooooolest bass riffs I think are the really simple ones. Flea comes out with some very simple but awesome sounding grooves. Marcus Miller can play incredibly fast and very cool, but when you listen to him playing he's not always over busy. He sounds cool slow or fast, complex or simple. Ther is a drummer here in Melbourne named Virgil Donati. He is one of the most absolutly gifted musicians walking the face of this earth. He does things you wouldn't believe possible if you didn't see it with your own eyes. I'm talking extreme. Dave Weckle, Lenny White, Omar Hakim, Dennis Chambers and many other would remind me of him. He had a fusion band called Loose Change. They absolotly rocked. But, here in Australia, they had a small following due to the taste factor. Virgil probably made more of a living by tutoring and drum clinics arounfd the world than his music. He played for a band called southern sons. It was almost painful to see him there. The music was very commercial simple but he could have played with his butt crack and toes and in a coma. My friend asked him once at a charity do why he was doing this and he replied, "Dude I still got to eat". Again this is not about knocking Southern sons, but his playing ability would not be noticed. I think it's good not to confuse talent with taste. Sometimes less is more.