Well, when I started the other thread I missed out some detail that wasn't really relevant but over the weekend has become, it turns the tattoo into an irrelevant matter. The friend that my daughter went with to get a tattoo with is my best mate Dave's daughter, Dave has pancreatic cancer and recently took a down turn and went into hospital, he had an Op Friday evening to look at a blockage in his colon but they closed him up again and didn't operate. We found out last night through his wife - who happens to be my wifes best friend - that the cancer has spread severly and he won't come home from hospital, it'll probably be this week. I've been heart broken since he was diagnosed over 15 months ago but I do feel a bit relieved because I have seen him in severe pain. Me & Mrs Brummie were around his house today filling the fridge and doing the ironing, it was wierd ironing my mates clothes - he'll never wear them again but I couldn't just leave them. I'm going to see him tomorrow and it'll be difficult for both of us, he's never known how long he had or how the cancer had progressed - he just asked for his medication and went home every week, I think not knowing helped him along, his wife always went in and found out the nitty gritty - someone had to. But anyway, we both know now - so I'm not sure what we'll say to each other, he's very morphine'd up anyway. Anyway, please don't post with sarcastic replies that say 'why did she' & 'why did his daughter' I don't really need it. cheers for reading. Oh yeah, the tattoo, I dunno. My daughter is the type that 'WANTS' but only 'WANTS' then doesn't want stuff when she has it, same goes with tattoo. I don't like to hear my kids swearing but was amused yesterday when she was holding her arm, I thought she was admiring the tattoo but she said 'It looks really sh*t, doesn't it'. Thanks to all those who posted on the first thread - cheers.