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Teachers who get police training could get extra pay, carry guns

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by bassturtle, Aug 8, 2007.

  1. bassturtle


    Apr 9, 2004
    Teachers who get police training could get extra pay, carry guns

    By Emily Richmond
    Las Vegas Sun

    A proposal that Nevada teachers be allowed to carry concealed weapons garnered a lot of notoriety but little traction among state lawmakers this year. Now comes this idea: Give bonus pay to teachers - from kindergarten to college - who would be trained and armed as reserve school police officers.

    Faculty-turned-campus cops would supplement the thin ranks of campus police and be in position to respond quickly to campus emergencies, the two champions of the idea say.

    Others worry about allowing teachers to be put in that kind of position.

    The idea will be taken up at separate meetings this month by Nevada System of Higher Education regents and the State Board of Education.

    The proposal was initiated in June ago by Regent Stavros Anthony, a Metro Police captain, who was thinking in terms of college campuses. State Board of Education member Anthony Ruggiero, an investigator with the state attorney general's office, wants to extend the concept to the state's K-12 teachers as well.

    It expands the idea, proposed during the 2007 legislative session by Sen. Bob Beers, R-Las Vegas, that teachers be allowed to carry concealed weapons on campus, provided they had undergone 40 hours of training. The bill died in committee.

    To become reserve campus police officers, teachers would have to pass a physical and psychological evaluation, as well as a comprehensive background check. Those who make it through the selection process would have to pay about $1,190 for classes at the community college's Law Enforcement Training Academy, including "Firearms I & II" "Defensive Tactics/Physical Training" and "Introduction to Juvenile Justice." An additional $1,000 would be required for the academy uniforms and equipment.

    After completing the training, teachers would be responsible for $1,500 in uniform and equipment costs, although their guns would be provided by the school police department. School districts would then have to pay the auxiliary officers $3,000 annually.

    Ruggiero said he met with School Police officials in Washoe and Clark counties, and he assured them that the reserve officers would be expected to follow the directives, rules and regulations of each individual school district police department.

    The idea is a win-win, Ruggiero said: Teachers would have an opportunity for more training and pay, and schools would solve the perpetual shortage of campus cops.

    "Rather than trying to reinvent the wheel, why not use the resources you have in place?" said Ruggiero, who is himself a reserve officer for UNLV's campus police. "I'm sure there are teachers out there that have thought about becoming officers. We shouldn't restrict them . We should train them."

    Education officials say so far there are more questions than answers about the proposal.

    If a child becomes violent during class, would the teacher-officer be allowed to use more aggressive means of restraint than a regular teacher? In a campus emergency, would the teacher-officer leave his classroom unattended to respond?

    "I'm a common-sense guy, but it's hard to wade through this," said John Jasonek, executive director of the Clark County Education Association, which represents most of the district's 18,000 teachers. "Right now this isn't passing the initial sniff test."

    Clark County Schools Superintendent Walt Rulffes said he would like to see how the proposal plays out at the university level.

    "There may be some value in having teachers who want increased security training to receive that training," Rulffes said. "But it's too soon to say whether they should actually be able to carry firearms."

    Rulffes said he's not even wholly comfortable with regular school police officers carrying guns, even though he realizes it's a necessary response to the level of violence and criminal activity in the community at large, which often spills onto campuses.

    He also wonders whether the program would encourage teachers to leave the classroom in pursuit of better-paying jobs in law enforcement.

    Ken Trump, president of National School Safety and Security Services based in Cleveland, said the proposal to turn teachers into reserve officers is misguided.

    "Teachers get into education to teach, not to be cops," Trump said. "Teachers are already overwhelmed with all of the academic, behavioral and administrative tasks they have to perform. To say you're going to add a whole other role and mind-set is unrealistic."

    Debate about arming teachers surfaces periodically in other states, usually in the wake of a high-profile campus shooting, Trump said.

    "Rather than off-the-wall proposals, how about our legislators focus on stopping the cuts to funding for school safety and emergency preparedness, mental health services and support programs," Trump said. "That might actually provide an improved learning environment, instead of trying to make teachers into cops."
  2. HollowBassman


    Jun 24, 2007
    Hancock, MD
    Sounds like a good idea. Very efficient.
    Unfortunately it would make school feel even more like prison.:meh:
  3. bassturtle


    Apr 9, 2004
    Not if done correctly. I'd imagine that the teachers would be dressed normally and be carrying concealed weapons. I wouldn't be for teachers wearing police uniforms in the class room. Also, I'd think it'd be smart for students to not know if their teacher is one of these auxilary officers.
  4. HollowBassman


    Jun 24, 2007
    Hancock, MD
    That sounds good. It's strange to hear thought out answers to problems instead of gut reactions.
  5. bassturtle


    Apr 9, 2004
    LOL no kidding.
  6. owensea777

    owensea777 Banned

    Jun 16, 2007
    I say we pay just pay for more officers at the schools. I don't want a bunch of half teacher half cops learnin' my kids.
  7. syciprider

    syciprider Banned

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    Raise taxes some more?
  8. msquared


    Sep 19, 2004
    Kansas City
    ...which is where the bonus pay would come from. Assuming of course that any of these teachers have $3690 sitting around.
  9. DigMe


    Aug 10, 2002
    Waco, TX
    3 large extra is a LOT cheaper than paying for an extra policeman at any given school which in my district in this area costs the school about $55,000 for a full-time officer.

    Personally I don't see why anyone would have a problem with it. Most people have no problem with a police officer being in a school and if any given teacher goes through all the exact same training and screening as the police officer why is it any different? The teacher has just become a fully-trained law enforcement officer in addition to being a teacher. So what. My students always relate well to police officers when they come to do educational programs at the school.

  10. from a students point of view, i'm not sure i'd be comfortable knowing that there is a gun in the classroom...
  11. Dan Molina

    Dan Molina TalkBass Secular Progressive

    Jul 17, 2002
    Murr Town, California
    Especially if some of the lunatic teachers I knew had one.
  12. Armueller2001


    Sep 19, 2006
    Dallas, TX
    I'd rather it be a teacher with a concealed weapon, than a lunatic who busts in and starts executing people.
  13. :D we had/have? one at our school that was said to throw books at students :help: :bag: :p
  14. Dan Molina

    Dan Molina TalkBass Secular Progressive

    Jul 17, 2002
    Murr Town, California
    The problem is when a teacher becomes careless and leaves the firearm in reach of a student a number of bad things can happen. This situation is bound to occur.
  15. i really don't want to open this can of worms, but i think making access to guns harder would reduce gun-related crimes. And having one in the teachers desk is not exactly reducing accessibility.

    Dan is the thinking along the same lines as me, i see.
  16. Armueller2001


    Sep 19, 2006
    Dallas, TX
    Ohh that is a terrible can of worms. I will say one thing regarding that, and will no longer comment on it... if you looked at crime rates from areas before/after heavy gun control was enacted, you may change your mind.

    BACK ON TOPIC, like stated above, I would imagine the teachers would have to have the gun on their person in a holster, or in the desk locked up in a safe for the plan to go into effect. Probably background checks and mandatory marksmanship training as well.
  17. ^ sent you a pm
  18. Visirale


    Mar 23, 2003
    This has been in place in certain districts of Miami for years now.
  19. syciprider

    syciprider Banned

    May 27, 2005
    Inland Empire
    We trust teachers with important things like our kids minds but not with inanimate objects like guns.
  20. i trust the teachers alright. just not the gun and several maybe idiots in the same room

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