Technique in a trio

Discussion in 'Technique [BG]' started by thorplaysbass, Apr 8, 2012.

  1. thorplaysbass

    thorplaysbass Guest

    Aug 16, 2011
    Nashville, TN
    When the singer isn't singing and the guitar player is playing the melody, what do you do?

    I usually just play the same thing I was before hand or if it feels to empty, go into some chords. But what else is there that could sound fuller other then playing chords? Just general busy playing I guess? How do you think people like Jack Bruce did it?

    (P.S. this is kind of an effects question but, what're your thoughts on the fishman fission pedal?)

    Thanks in advanced
  2. LiquidCaravan

    LiquidCaravan Guest

    Feb 16, 2012
    North Alabama
    Check out Pino Palladino's playing with the John Mayer trio. Lots of great ideas there.
  3. Muse is the only trio I can think of and Chris uses some effects and plays the guitar thing/his own stuff
  4. guroove


    Oct 13, 2009
    Buffalo, NY
    Kind of a strange question since all you have to do is listen to some live Cream to hear how he did it. He played furiously busy with a nasty distorted sound. He also played counterpoint to the lead guitar's melodies, and even sometimes played contrapuntally with himself.
  5. thorplaysbass

    thorplaysbass Guest

    Aug 16, 2011
    Nashville, TN
    Thanks, are there any other bands or anything that should be checked out?

    @guroove: That was honestly not a serious question and I have no idea what contrapuntally means so I guess I'll google that.

    @Journey55: What do you mean plays the guitar thing/his own stuff? I never really have heard much Muse. So maybe I'm just missing something from being away from listening to them.

    Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to get as much info as possible in addition to simple research. Thanks again guys
  6. Nobody has mentioned Rush in this thread, yet. Geddy's ostinato lines during guitar solos are essentially the main riff, but with extra flourishes. I think the finest example that readily comes to mind is Red Barchetta, but it is also important to note that the solo section is in 7/4 time, while the verses (same chord sequence) are in 4/4. Fly By Night is another good example, and features no difference in time signatures.
  7. Duke21


    Nov 14, 2010
    Narvik, Norway
    Come on man, you must be very young! ;)
    ELP, The Police, King Crimson (in some lineups such as Wetton, Bruford and Fripp), Rush, UK,
  8. Double up the guitar line. Try it.
  9. stanley00


    Mar 15, 2010
    Albuquerque, NM
    Try listening to ZZ Top. Just laying down a solid rhythm is all you need to do sometimes. No need over do it if the music doesn't call for it.
  10. Duke21


    Nov 14, 2010
    Narvik, Norway
    Yes, ZZ top are a good example. Love Rough Boy!
  11. kraigo


    Jun 21, 2007
    Minneapolis, MN
    "Trio" is misleading. There are all sorts of trios. What worked for Geddy wouldn't work for Sting, for example.

    Queen, Rage against the Machine... Lot's of good examples out there.

  12. kraigo


    Jun 21, 2007
    Minneapolis, MN
    The Who...
  13. Freight Train

    Freight Train Earth-based Alternative Scientist, Sex Researcher

    Feb 25, 2012
    Dallas, Texas
    I cut my bass-baby teeth in trios, starting in 1967, and it's still my favorite format. Even though Jack Bruce was my biggest influence, I've found that in many cases the busier everyone plays, the smaller it sounds. Holes and space are a beautiful thing, but that's often difficult to get from a guitarist playing three piece - they seem to think that they need to make up for two guitarists, or a guitarist and keyboard, by overplaying everything.
    The two critical things for three piece in my experience is #1 a rock solid drummer and #2 a great bass tone. It's not the number of notes the bass plays, it's the tone of the bass and the authority with which it is played that will make it sound big.
    A good example of this would be Free. So much beautiful space. But you damn well better be a good player if the band is going to give you that much room.
  14. N.F.A.


    Jun 25, 2009
    In a blue funk
    Jimi Hendrix Experience, Band of Gypsys, Gypsy, Sun and Rainbow
  15. chriscrob


    Mar 24, 2008
    Atlanta, Georgia
    Check out "With Love and Squalor" by We are Scientists for some cool 3 piece style bass written in the last decade.