Tell me I won't regret buying a mess wd800

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Drop1, Jun 20, 2019.

  1. Drop1


    Mar 28, 2019
    I've come so close to buying one so many times it's not even funny.

    My current favorite amp is the genz shuttle 6.0.
    I like that flat bright sound it has and I can get it pumping when i want to. I also enjoy its pre amp texture.
    I've been researching for quite a while now digging for comparison threads and have gathered some bits and pieces.

    My question is can the Wd800 do that flat sound without a bunch of tweaking? I think I remember reading the tones between the genz and Mesa were similar in some ways? I love my genz but sometimes I just wish it had a bit more output. With everything set at noon I get the clipping light. I know i can push it past that due to its build design and I do but I keep reading the Mesa can get redicously loud while staying clean which to me sounds like it has the kind of output I'm looking for.
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  2. /\/\3phist0

    /\/\3phist0 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) mmm Woody! DHDIK? Sweet Treets. Supporting Member

    Paging @agedhorse
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  3. Stumbo

    Stumbo Guest

    Feb 11, 2008
    I suggest not setting everything at noon. It's not a holy relic!:D Try cutting the bass to about 9a. Increase the mids to 2p. Cut the treble to 10a. Give a listen FOH.

    In addition to setting your rig up on a stand, also consider adding an adjustable HPF to cut the mud from your speakers and the boom from the room. You'll hear your mids better, improve stage volume, increase headroom and sit in the mix better.

    Not saying not to buy the Mesa. :bassist:
  4. Al Kraft

    Al Kraft Supporting Member

    May 2, 2016
    Northern Virginia
    IME the WD will easily give you a flat/neutral tone if that's what you like. However, it is a harmonically rich tone and not SS sterile. As for volume, as long as you have enough cab for the job, I don't think the WD will disappoint. It stays clean and gets as loud as I've ever needed for rock even when carrying a larger venue with two electric guitars and a hard hitting drummer.
  5. Wasnex


    Dec 25, 2011
    If I remember right, @agedhorse said flat comes with the passive Mid control around 1 o'clock, but the exact setting varies with how you set the gain.

    In this post he call the amp "modestly voiced" Which amp heads have no baked-in EQ curve?
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  6. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    There is a relatively flat voicing with the passive mid control somewhere around the1:00-2:00 position.

    It's a different amp than the Shuttle, a little more going on. The Subway D-800+ is probably a little closer to the Shuttle.

    Can you try both?
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  7. Drop1


    Mar 28, 2019
    I can try neither unfortunately. We dont even have a place to demo heads around here unless they are used. Maybe I could make a day trip into New Orleans.

    I could buy both and return one. That just feels shady though.
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  8. Drop1


    Mar 28, 2019
    Does anyone have a video or audio clip of either the wd800 or d800 recorded di? Mesa had some demos but I'd assume they've been polished a little.
    I could feed those clips directly into my cabs .
  9. Geri O

    Geri O Endorsing Artist, Mike Lull Guitars and Basses Gold Supporting Member

    Sep 6, 2013
    Florence, MS
    Let’s ask @agedhorse just how polished those Mesa demos might be...:D
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  10. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    There are many demos available on all of the Subway models, some made by players here on TB. They are all recorded differently I'm sure, but likewise they all represent a cross-section of applications.

    The demos we do are generally based on a room mic, the DI out and sometimes a combination of the two (as a bit of a nod to Jimmy ;) ) depending on the features being shown. I believe the details are included in the clip, or the accompanying text.

    One thing to note about video clips, something that nobody has any real control over, is that depending on network and internet traffic, the quality can vary greatly as data compression and bit rate change dynamically. This is especially a challenge on YouTube.
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  11. Drop1


    Mar 28, 2019
    The clips arent really helping me. I found a blind a/b comparison.
    All that did was make me want to sell my genz and buy both the d800 and wd. :) win/win
  12. ItsmeSantiago


    Nov 23, 2015
    I'm a bit of a gear swapper, and my D800 and Subway 112 have never been on the trade block. After trying many different amps and heads, I refuse to play anything else. I run everything between 11 and 1 o clock with all of my basses. I use it as a DI without the cab too. To answer the concern in your headline, you won't regret buying a WD-800.
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  13. Element Zero

    Element Zero Supporting Member

    Dec 14, 2016
    I’d be surprised if you didn’t like the WD right out of the box. A couple small turns of the dials and my ears were being slathered in melted butter. And can easily be changed to ice picks. Anything in between is easily achievable. As was my experience with the D-800+ before it, you just have to spend some time exploring all the sonic options available in the WD. On the surface it’s incredibly easy to get your sound instantly. But once you start diving into how the HPF, BASS, and Low MID controls can work in tandem (or against you), you’ll be amazed at how adaptable it is.

    Bottom line is this...
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  14. DrThumpenstein

    DrThumpenstein Living for the groove Supporting Member

    Feb 8, 2015
    St Louis, MO
    You won't regret buying a Mesa WD-800.

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  15. dbase

    dbase Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 3, 2008
    South Jersey, USA..
    You won't regret buying a Mesa WD-800.

    Happy now? get one, you will be.
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  16. arbiterusa


    Sep 24, 2015
    It shouldn't. Hell, Guitar Center has made several thousand dollars off of me in new and used gear sales in the last two years precisely because of their return policy - trying stuff out and returning stuff repeatedly until I get exactly what I want and buy it is why they have that policy in the first place.

    Don't be afraid to return things. It ends up making the retailer money sooner or later.
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  17. Altitude

    Altitude An ounce of perception, a pound of obscure. Supporting Member

    Mar 9, 2005
    Denver, nee Austin
    I've owned both and agree with Andy. The Mesa, to my ears, may sound a little less bright natively, but the two could be made to sound very similar with EQ. The WD-800, based only on what I've heard about it, would be a different thing, maybe more similar to the Genz Streamliner?

    Apropos of nothing, the D-800 (not plus) has a smaller form factor, quite a bit smaller than the Shuttles did IIRC, and sounds very great. For me it's a real no-brainer all-around gig amp.
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  18. :bag:
    I will throw in that if you love the sound and feature set of the Shuttle you may want to check out the Genzler Magellan 800.
    Click>Magellan 800 - Genzler Amplification

    Now you will have another decision to make. :nailbiting:

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  19. Drop1


    Mar 28, 2019
    I hadn't even considered the standard d800. If I'm going to get a new amp, the variable hi and low mids of the d800 plus would be the minimum I'd settle for. That and the hpf. Those are the main features that attracted me to the new amps.
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  20. Wicked G

    Wicked G

    Jan 19, 2017
    Hell Paso Texas
    I agree with S-Bigbottom. I don't really want to take money away from Mesa and I am also very curious about the WD800, but if you want a Shuttle on Steroids then you should definitely also look into a Genzler Magellan 800.
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