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Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by scubaduba, May 21, 2018.
On my board this morning.
So I think I have my list of tries after reading the reviews:
-JHS Pulp N’ Peel
-Doc Loyd Photon
*The other Worship Bass player has a Cali76 so I know how it sounds.
So you think the Cali compact bass adds a sound? I didn’t think so, but I did think it had the capacity to add gobs of punch to the feel. I’m curious how you think the Cali alters the tone, so I can listen for it closer.
But definitely the Diamond adds “magic tone.” I love mine.
I had a Cali76-CB, and it seemed to accentuate the highs and high-mids. It was a bit harsh sounding to my ears, so I sold it. Just too much added in those shrill frequencies for my taste.
That’s exactly right. There is noticeable added highs and upper mids. So in that sense it is coloring the tone. It is not as dramatic as the effect of the Diamond or Forest Green or the inherent darkness of the Super Symmetry for example, but it is there. The Cali76 is the opposite of that darkness. You get a boosted high and overall “punchy” sound. Very nice if that’s your thing.
yeah Cali76 definitely adds some top end to my ears.
Thank the founding fathers for this LONG (not compressed) holiday weekend! Looking forward to the reviews!
Thanks for the clarification.
Most comps to my ears squash the high end moreso compared to the low, so that's probably why it sounds "transparent" to me. Even so, I'll take the added punch any day. Of all my comps, this is the one that adds punch the best.
Speaking of compressors changing your bass sound. What compressor best adds thickness to the tone?
There are several options and I tried to call that out in each review.
Here’s a few to consider:
Diamond (use the tilt EQ)
Forest Green (use the tilt EQ)
Becos Stella (use the tilt EQ; it is more on the transparent side; very versatile)
BVB Doc Lloyd Photon
JHS Pulp ‘N Peel (use the tilt EQ)
Smoothie (Also very versatile)
Probably my favorites for this purpose are the following:
You have to be able to deal with the unique power requirements.
The Union Tube & Transistor Lab feels a lot like the two Effectrode compressors but doesn’t use tubes so doesn’t have the unique power requirements. It is very nice.
That list should be plenty to get you started. Read my reviews of those to narrow it down.
I must have missed this definition -- what's a "tilt EQ" ?
Think of it like a see-saw. It’s a one knob eq. Turn up the bass and it reduces the treble. Turning up the treble reduces the bass.
Yep. Usually, counterclockwise from noon is warmer (more bass, less treble), while clockwise is brighter (less bass, more treble). Sometimes, a single knob is all you need.
I may have missed this earlier in the thread, but has anyone done a direct comparison of the Doc Lloyd Photon and the Diamond BCP-1? They both seem to occupy the same general school of compression (i.e. front of chain tone enhancement and gentle compression). I've used the Diamond in the past and really liked what it did up front and am considering another, but the Doc Lloyd sounds very nice as well. Thoughts?
In my review of the Doc Lloyd I referenced the Diamond.
Testing Compressors: Cali, Smoothie, Empress, Diamond, Keeley, FEA, Darkglass, Doc Lloyd, JHS & more
There are definite similarities but the Diamond will have more variety of EQ due to the tilt EQ. It will also color your tone more than the Doc Lloyd. On the other hand, the Doc Lloyd has a Mix control you let you blend more of your dry signal in. I’m a fan of that. I’d say the Doc Lloyd is the more useable compressor where the Diamond is has more impact as a tone enhancer. But that’s not to say the Doc Lloyd doesn’t add something real nice.
This is an interesting point. I'm currently using a Cali76 CB and am finding the added upper mids and highs to be a little fatiguing when used up front, but I really like that pedal as an end of chain limiter. I never really used the tilt EQ on my old Diamond, but liked what it did up front all the same. I'd like to try the Doc Lloyd, but they're out of stock and there aren't any in the classifieds at the moment. Decisions, decisions, decisions...
The Doc Lloyd is always out of stock! I don't know if they don't get built and stocked back up or if they just move. I kinda feel like they haven't been getting restocked...not sure why though.
The Doc Lloyd is nice in that I also love having a blend on a compressor. It also retains low end really well, which is generally a plus for bass. I can't speak to the Diamond. And I would love to try a Cali, but don't have any huge reasons to rock the boat and change from the Doc Lloyd.
For me, the Diamond just didn't offer enough flexibility
The fixed 3ish:1 ratio was too much of a 1-trick pony
Love ny FEA-DECL but curious if the Doc Lloyd will offer some of the great compression qualities of the FEA but with some color.
Also, I'm sure I missed it but is there a list of which of these boxes work well as a limiter?
My FEA allows compression, limiting, or both.
The Doc Lloyd Photon Death Ray is definitely NOT a limiter.
Meant this as two separate questions