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that good sabbath sound

Discussion in 'Technique [BG]' started by dave_clark69, Jan 17, 2003.


  1. dave_clark69

    dave_clark69 Guest

    Jan 17, 2003
    can someone help me getting the sound like the black sabbath bass guitar player or led zeppelins johin paul jones
    is it the amp or a pedal?
     
  2. JazZ-A-LoT

    JazZ-A-LoT

    Jan 5, 2003
    Think... Vintage recording equipment, amps, pedals...
     
  3. Kid Charlemagne

    Kid Charlemagne

    May 29, 2002
    Europe
    As much as anything else, it has to do with touch. I.e. how you use your fingers to play the notes.

    Also, a bass with good passive pickups and a no-frills valve amp should help.
    But, as said, it is mostly about touch. Listen to the songs and try to cop the feel. Use your ears and fingers - the most crucial tone generators you are in command of. ;)
     
  4. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    For Black Sabbath stuff, I find that a good Passive P bass played agressively can give you the right sound.

    For Led Zeppelin stuff I find a good passive jazz bass run into an amp set completly flat, or with a bit of bass boost works well.

    Peace
    Nick
     
  5. BassWizard55

    BassWizard55 Guest

    Dec 21, 2002
    Rome, Ga
    Do a search on Geezer Butler ok man.
     
  6. LowEndRider

    LowEndRider Guest

    Mar 4, 2002
    Australia
    To get that N.I.B. sound pluck the strings over the 21/22nd fret with a 3khz boost - I think Geezer used to play there because he found the String tension near the pickups too tight for anything but root stuff.

    -cheers
     
  7. slam

    slam Guest

    Mar 22, 2000
    Virginia
    I think those guys used flatwound strings and that is a big part of their sound.
     
  8. I find the biggest part of the sound on their earliest recordings is not only the great old tube amps but the fact that they're just blowing the sound through the mic pre's and the board to the point of overloading. Ends up being the same effect as overdrive on a tube amp but for everything, vocals, drums etc. We've got some real vintage gear in our studio like a pair of Ampex tube mic pre's that I use as a sort of outboard 'fireplace' for warming up anything we already have on tape by pushing them hard. You can tell they were pushing that old gear near it's limits and I don't think they were in the most expensive of studios either (Sabbath I mean. There's some strange editing and mixing that may or may not have been mistakes).
     
  9. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA
    Some guy at a music store came up to me because they thought I worked there and asked me pretty much the same question. I told em I didn't, but I told him to search around for the bass that suited HIM best. So he asked a real guy and gave him a hollow body bass and a rat distortion pedal and the guy was stoked at how much he sounded like geezer :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Geezer didn't use too much distortion, this guy was practically fuzzed. Whatever as long as he was happy.
     
  10. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    He played hollow body basses?

    I never thought it sounded like it but oh well.

    Peace
    Nick
     
  11. Matt Till

    Matt Till

    Jun 1, 2002
    Edinboro, PA

    That's just it... Geezer didn't even play hollow body basses, he also didn't fuzz the hell out of his bass. But this guy's eyes lit up the second he kicked on that Rat. I'm sure this made Mr. Salesman very happy as well.
     
  12. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    Ok, just checking. Its just a bit amazing that he would still get so excited about a sound that is pretty far from what Id imagine was Geezer's.

    Peace
    Nick
     
  13. I would think it's pretty easy to fool someone who walks into a guitar store and says give me a Geezer Butler sound. Just fuzz it out a bit and the kid will be convinced it's the genuine thing. Kinda why I'm not a big fan of salesmen.
     
  14. Nick man

    Nick man

    Apr 7, 2002
    Tampa Bay
    Yesterday I was at GC withmy guitarist because the guitar they sold him was having some problems.

    It was a Gibson Les Paul Studio.

    The pickups were microphonic, and there was a little bit of hum. The tunners wouldnt hold tunning either, and the action was bad.

    Salesman says thats all normal.

    I believe they are called humbuckers for a reason, and as far as Ive been told, Gibson pickups are dipped in wax to make them less microphonic. The tunners were just crap, which is not what you should get for a +$1000 guitar, and the sales man said that they wouldnt do a setup on a new guitar for free since they are set up at the factory. I tried to reason with him bringing in the great difference in temperature and humidity between the factory and Miami, but he said that temperature and humidity wouldnt cause the neck to move.

    What a bunch of crock.

    We're going somewhere else to talk to some honest, or at least knowledgeable, salesmen.

    Peace
    Nick