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Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by sm49341, Jul 19, 2013.

  1. sm49341


    May 12, 2013
    I am a working gigging amateuer in my 40's I'm bouncing a rig I like. An SWR workinMan 4004, into a nice Mesa Engineering 115, Markbass Compressore. I choose to mic it with an AKG D112. Then I see an ad on CL for a Carvin 410 redeye. Never had a 410, but I know they can give you the punch. We play classic and modern rock/variety/wedding stuff you name it. Commodores to zach brown to cee-lo to wheezer. I'm kinda known for my lively style. A lot of that is because we have one guitarist, he's not that good, he's lazy, and he adds little fill of any interest. He gives me a lot of opportunity without sounding overdone or annoying. Fill runs, Pull offs double stops etc.
    I know that Mesa cab is real good, but I feel a lot of my 'fancy' gets lost. My recent markbass compressore addition has definitely lifted my style into the mix a bit. I however have the issue that I can hardly hear my amp. We try to keep stage volume down, and the bass coming from our subs and main is so booming I can't hear my cab all that well, and frankly playing to that huge wave is unsettling, my ear wants that tightness.
    So I see the Carvin 410, for cheap, 100 to 150.
    Should I just go for it? He actually selling some peavy nitro head, a guild/hartke 410 and a carvin410 all of it for $300. I could prolly walk away with the truckload for $250, then try to deal the rest of it. I will not stack the 410 in the 115. The mains push all the sound I need, do not want to start an onstage amp war.
    What do ya think. Am I gonna get stuck with a pile of junk?
  2. lowfreq33


    Jan 27, 2010
    Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification
    Yeah, you could flip the other head and cab for $150 each and walk away with a free cab.
  3. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Is this from your vantage point or the FOH that your rig is not pleasing you? The D112 is a good mic for bass drum, but I find it a bit woofy on the bottom and mid-scooped. If I were in your spot I'd either try adding some mids and cutting some lows to FOH or swapping the D112 for an AKG P2, which has a much flatter response curve and is only $100.

    As for the cab, not familiar with the Mesa but I'm familiar with Carvin 410's. They're OK IMHO. Not awesome, but good and would give you some more treble response onstage. So would the old Hartke cab.
  4. It could help to get the cabinet you play through elevated so that it is closer to your ears.
  5. Floyd Eye

    Floyd Eye Inactive

    Feb 21, 2010
    St. Louis
    I have 3 of these cabs. actually 2 slightly newer BR cabs and 1 Red Line. Like Jimmy says, they're ok. I used them up until I blew a speaker and the replacement driver from Carvin lasted 1 gig before it blew. New Carvin speakers are Chinese and obviously not very good. If the cab has the original speakers though I think you'll like it. Nice low mid punch, but not as deep low as an Ampeg. And the good news is if you ever want a matching cab, I just happen to have one I'll sell you.
  6. bluesblaster


    Jan 2, 2008
    I sometimes use just one 15" bagend cab and it works great in small to medium size clubs, however I have it elevated on a chair or roadcase or whatever, If your playing on large stages in a big room the 4x10 is probably the way to go, even elevate that too if you can.
  7. ledyard


    Jan 31, 2010
    Upstate NY
    carvin basses and guitars = good stuff

    carvin amps= to each his own

    carvin cabs = junk in my experience.
  8. Floyd Eye

    Floyd Eye Inactive

    Feb 21, 2010
    St. Louis

    I'd pretty much agree with that. The saving grace for the cabs are that they are cheap. And as long as you aren't pushing a lot of bass into them they'll last for a little while. ;)
  9. AdamR

    AdamR Inactive

    Sep 24, 2007
    Bethel CT
    Id buy the whole lot, try out both cabs at a gig and sell the one you dont like.
  10. will33


    May 22, 2006
    I gigged a Carvin Redline 410 for a couple/few years. I would say it has a good bit of punch but not much deep. In your situation, with subs washing the bass around, it may be a better solution than it was in mine, trying to drive rooms with the rig alone. It gave credence to the myth that "you need a 15 for lows and a 410 for punch"....because that combination of Carvin cabs worked exactly that way. With the subs providing your bottom, it might turn out to be a good stage cab, allowing you to have some presence to your sound, but still allowing you to hear the other players and them to hear you, due to not fighting the subs and making a mess of things. The Hartke may perform a similair task, although with a completely different flavor to it.

    If I were you, being the hoarder I am, I'd probably offer the guy the deuce-and-a-half and take the whole works home. Then being the DIY tinkerer I am, take the one I'm not using as a bass cab and chop it up into vocal wedges/small PA speaks, etc. (the carvin 10's would shine there).

    But you being a smart guy, pick which you like the best, sell off the rest, and in the end, end up with a free piece of gear.
  11. lowphatbass

    lowphatbass **** Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2005
    west coast
    I would pass on the Carvin cab, but I know some folks like them and that's cool.

    I would recommend trying a DI for your bass.
  12. Lowbrow

    Lowbrow Supporting Member

    Apr 22, 2008
    Allentown, PA!
    If the Hartke is one of those old higher-grade ones (XL) then it's not bad for hearing yourself, way outta style, tho.
  13. will33


    May 22, 2006
    Pass on the Carvin cab, but run a DI into some vocal wedges instead.?:confused:

    Whatever floats your boat I guess.
  14. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    i think he just meant to DI instead of the kick mic on a 15, to present a less boomy signal to FOH.
  15. derrico1

    derrico1 Supporting Member

    Apr 12, 2005
    Charlottesville, VA
    +1. Its useful on kick b/c it leaves a hole in the kick sound where the bass can breathe¬ónot generally what I'd want to mic a bass cab.
  16. will33


    May 22, 2006
    Ahh...makes more sense.

    OP can put a 57 on his bass cab. It'll thump good, just rolls out the way deep stuff. I'd put the D112 on the kick where it belongs, those are good kick mics.
  17. robertusf

    robertusf Supporting Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    IMO...i think you'd wind up with a pile.....I'd keep the mesa... for 250 you can spend a few $ more and get a decent amp with a good di ....you can get a pf500 or a gk mb 500 used. Or if like your amp you can probably do better on a 410 than the carvin
  18. ledyard


    Jan 31, 2010
    Upstate NY
    Yeah, unless you are playing low volume coffee houses I would nix the carvin idea.

    A carvin cab wouldn't last a rehearsal with me. I used to own the redline 410 and 118. And the redline 600 head. :rollno: . Gawd, what a pile of junk that rig was.
    But I was 17 so I get a pass. :rolleyes:
  19. ledyard


    Jan 31, 2010
    Upstate NY
    In your situation I would add another $100 to that $250 budget and look around for an Ampeg 410 HLF. Or even a Genz Benz 410XB2.

    These will be tight, clear, and have all the low end you could ever want or throw at it for your situation without getting muddy. (provided your amp isn't throwing muddy low end into your cab)

    I just saw two HLF's on CL for $300 each. Steal. I wouldn't get the other Ampeg 410 cabs. They don't handle a lot of bass. They are more for bi-amping.
  20. Stumbo

    Stumbo Guest

    Feb 11, 2008
    I suggest adding a fdeck HPF/pre to your signal chain to tighten up the low end. Since it's adjustable, it's good for any venue. It may also clean up the your mic signal.

    Tilt the cab back so it's pointing at your ears if you can't elevate it.

    Is your current cab 8ohms? If it's 8 ohms, I'd consider stacking another 1x15 on it.

    In addition, try the DI out to the mixer instead of the mic. Also try shaping the 5 band equalizer to enhance the mids/cut the bass a bit.

    Btw, what kinda bass are you playing?