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The Beatles "Honey Pie"..

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by ZenG, Dec 8, 2016.

  1. Said to have been derived from British "Music Hall" genre.

    Anybody know any similar works to this in terms of style and chord progressions?
  2. tangentmusic

    tangentmusic A figment of our exaggeration

    Aug 17, 2007
    Honey Pie always reminded me of American Flapper music of the roaring twenties.
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  3. Michedelic

    Michedelic MId-Century Modern

    The Rolling Stones "Something Happened To Me Yesterday" & "Cool, Calm, & Collected"; lots of Kinks stuff has that vibe, all I can think of right now is "Dead End Street", "Sunny Afternoon", and "Demon Alcohol"; then there's the U.K. Novelty hit from 50 years ago, "Winchester Cathedral". I know there's others, I just can't think of them right now. It seem like there was a trend with British bands '66-'68 to dable in that stuff. Also, there's Georgie Fame, "Bonnie & Clyde"(not the Serge Gainsbourg tune)and Lou Reed's "Goodnight Ladies" which are more Dixieland-ish.
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  4. Michedelic

    Michedelic MId-Century Modern

    Ah, don't forget "When I'm 64"
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  5. Remnants of the Skiffle influence??
  6. Michedelic

    Michedelic MId-Century Modern

    If you really want to go down the rabbit hole with this sort of thing, look up Ian Whitcomb. He is a ukelele specialist and music historian. A Brit who had a one-off goofy novelty hit during the British Invasion era with an English R'n'B romp, he then moved to California to perform, and write about, U.K. dancehall and early 20th century music in general. He's authored several great scholarly volumes on the the subject.
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  7. Richland123


    Apr 17, 2009
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  9. Michedelic

    Michedelic MId-Century Modern

    It goes a little further back than that. Skiffle was a uniquely British musical mutation of the 1950's that mixed together American folk, blues, gospel, ragtime, and early R'nR, performed by English youth of the time in a very rudimentary fashion acoustically. It ran concurrently with British 'Trad' jazz(strict Dixieland style), but for the most part, both camps hated each other. In addition, purist followers of the genres that were mixed together in Skiffle tended to dismiss it as well. As more American rockabilly and R'n'B reached the British Isles, and electric guitars became more available, Skiffle fell by the wayside, but it certainly provided the breeding ground for the British Invasion.
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  10. Michedelic

    Michedelic MId-Century Modern

    Bit of trivia, Norman "Hurricane" Smith was a recording engineer on the earlier Pink Floyd albums, and also worked on later Beatle recordings as well.
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  11. Richland123


    Apr 17, 2009
    That always reminds me of this song that used some of those influences.

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  12. getrhythm


    Nov 2, 2015
    New Jersey
    This came up on my iPod yesterday and I played along.
  13. Michedelic

    Michedelic MId-Century Modern

    Absolutely! Plus, Led Zeppelin had some roots in Skiffle...

    I guess 'biological research' eventually meant groupies
    Also, I'm not exactly sure where this daft bit of madness fits in, but it came on the heels of "Winchester Cathedral"...

    now it will be stuck in your head all day
  14. If you're interested in the music that pre-dates and influenced the Beatles (McCartney in particular):

    Music hall - Wikipedia

    See the "Famous music hall songs" section.

    It was a fascinating period for music in the UK and influenced many rockers from the classic period, 60's and 70's. It's what a lot of their mums and dads listened to.
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  15. Richland123


    Apr 17, 2009
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  17. silvertone


    Nov 6, 2007
    SF, CA
    Within the progression of Honey Pie resides the classic I-VI-II-V chord progression:
    right out of the American Swing Jazz Song Book.
    There are literally thousands of similar progressions that pre-date rock n roll.
    Check music from the likes of Fats Waller, The Gershwins, Louis Prima and many many more.
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  18. Tommyc


    Nov 11, 2015
    It had to do with Paul's dad, Jim, who led a jazz band in the 20's. He played piano and trumpet and Paul grew up hearing so-called, Hollywood jazz. I think he wrote "When I'm 64" around the age of 15.
  19. Richland123


    Apr 17, 2009
    Those Were The Days was originally a Russian song from the early part of the 1900s. The Mary Hopkins English language version became a huge hit in 1968 and was produced by Paul McCartney and was released on The Beatles' Apple Record label.

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    yodedude2 Supporting Member

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