Is it really hard to find a good band or have i just experienced bad luck? Just some background: I've been playing for 2years soon and i've been playing for about 3+ hours a day since january this year, i'm very serious about bass playing but i'm mostly just playing for fun... (you can be serious and have fun on the same time, right.. ?) I'm pretty much only playing at home and in school but lately i have been trying to form/join a band just to play some real music, and get some experience... The first attempt to form a band was with 3 of my friends, drummer,guitarist and a singer. The guitarist wasn't very good back then, he was just starting out(about a half year ago) but he showed interest for the instrument and that's what i think is most important.. The drummer was pretty much the total opposite, it was actually he who came up with the idea of this band but when we suggested songs we could play he just said "I'm too lazy to learn them", "Impossible to play on drums(about a greenday song)"... "i'm to busy", too busy being lazy i guess. He never practiced and he's a newbie with 3years of experience with a bad attidude against drumming and practicing. We never got started because of him, we cant have a drummer pretending that he's playing songs he didn't bother to learn or..? Anyway, before this happened we actually played basket case on the talent show with him, he was just playing a standard 8/8 beat without any improvising from the real song so he didn't need to learn anything new. We won so we went to the final at a big disco where every schools winners competed. When all the soundchecks were done i jammed a little with one of the sound guys, he's been playing guitar for 1 year and he could pretty much play any children of bodom song included solos and stuff, he's a very talented guitar player and he's practicing alot, something i really appreciate. Anyway, when we performed basket case it sounded like crap, the singer sang awfully false and the drummer messed up. When i was about to go home the guitarist i jammed with came and asked me what my msn is(was). I talked to him on msn and he told me he would like to start a band with me and he was just going to find a drummer and a rythm guitarist(he was going to play lead and sing at the same time a'la laiho). As the time went on he never said anything about the band and i asked him about it a few times and he just said "i haven't found a drummer yet" i thought he didn't want me in his band anymore and i had almos forgot him but then he called me abut a half year later and told me he found a drummer who also has a place where we could jam. The lineup was supposed to be bass, leadguitar/singer, rythmguitarist, keyboardist and a drummer. We decided to meet at a place everyone knew and then the drummer was going to show us his jamroom(cant find the proper word). I showed up there on time and the only one who was there was the rythmguitarist who stood there smoking he told me that the leadguitarist(the only guy i knew) amp broke so he had to go home and get another one.. i talked with this unknown rythmguitarist for about about 15min and then one of his other 3bands(he's also a great guitarist, he's playing lead in all the other bands and he wanted to be the rythmguitarist of a band) called and for some reason this guy was supposed to jam with them, they had a gig the day after so he left(which made the leadguitarist real upset)... the keyboardist never showed up, he couldn't make it for some reason so left were only me the leadguitarist and the drummer... this is where the big disaster starts... the drummer was a 20years old finnish(spelling?) guy and he was drinking all the time, he was so drunk that he couldn't even count to 4, i mean.. what a waste of time!! Anyway, when the drummer shut up me and the guitarist jammed just the 2 of us, we played some bodom and maiden and we both think we played very good together so he told me he was going to find a new drummer and then we could start a new band, this happened about 1-2months ago and he haven't found a new drummer yet so i guess he will call in about half year again... Today i went on a jam with the guitarist and singer from the first band and a drummer who was the son of the guitarists teacher. The guitarist has improved very very much since the first attempt of forming a band failed. Anyway, we jammed in the drummers dads studio and this was just a disaster... we were going to play a blues shuffle and the drummer couldn't play shuffle on drums, we showed him how to play a simple shuffle beat but he just couldn't play it, he couldn't play anything that involves triplets,... how annoying... even the guitarist learned how to play a standard shufflebeat on a break in school... this is not the worst part though, he was speeding up, slowing down all the time... he he desn't have any kind of time feel... the guitarist seems to be positive about him anyway, he says "just learn how to play triplets and shuffle feel and you'll do okay". Yeah sure... me, the singer and the guitarist are better drummers than him, we have only been playing in school and he has been taking lessons... i like the singer and the guitarist but i dont think there's any chance that we can get a rid of the drummer, he's a very nice guy and a friend to the guitarist and he is also the son of the guitarists guitar teacher, wonder what he would say if we kicked him... i live in small town(50.000people maybe) and i dont there's too many musicians around but does it really have to be so hard finding a band that actually work... i would like the be in band that plays rush, dream theater, symphony x and stuff like that but i have to keep in mind that most of this kind of music is alot harder for the guitarist and drummer so i would be happy to play anything from green day to chilipeppers and whatever.. When i think about, in all 3situations it has been the drummer who is the problem... is it just bad luck or is it very very hard to find a good drummer?