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The Demon Divine

Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by Rôckhewer, Jul 13, 2017.


  1. michaelwayneharwood

    michaelwayneharwood Builder of the Wastelands Commercial User

    May 1, 2014
    Colorado
    Owner Melodious Resonance Constructs
    I am not wanting to derail Rock's thread, but if you are wanting to make your own pickups as a cost saving measure I would offer that it's definitely possible at a larger scale. For just a pickup or two I do not believe that you will reap enough savings to make it worthwhile. If your motivation also includes wanting to learn how to make your own pickups then it's a worthwhile endeavor. That being said you *could* wind your own pickups by hand (e.g. without investing in a DIY winder) and save money, but it would be a LOT of work. ;) I live in Littleton and would be happy to hook up with you and give you the tour of my limited experience with pickup design and manufacturing, but be aware that I focus on low impedance designs and build my own electronics (e.g. preamps, etc) from scratch.
     
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  2. I-Am-The-Slime

    I-Am-The-Slime

    Jan 8, 2010
    SW VA
    Perhaps save it for last and finish the leftover neck pieces along with the rest of the bass before routing?

    Not speaking from any experience here, but I worry the 1/32" wouldn't finish the same either way, getting saturated and all... IDK
     
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  3. Rôckhewer

    Rôckhewer Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 28, 2015
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Owner/Builder- RockHewer Custom Guitars LLC
    So, I am actually kinda glad that the color didn't take on the epoxy saturated pup covers.
    Because... a couple days after that... the owner had a pretty cool idea....
    "What if we leave just the flame maple natural?"
    .....hey, that's a cool idea! I dig it!
    Done. :)
    So now there will be some bad-a×× racing stripes of flamey chatoyant loveliness down the middle, giving this bass tons more character.

    Here's the pup cover REDUX...
    Body routed & inserts in:
    20170810_170728.jpg
    Remade covers test fit:
    20170810_155706.jpg 20170810_133159.jpg
    Hard to see from the picture angle... but yes they both line up perfectly.
    Kinda happy about the whole deal here. :D:hyper:
     
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  4. Rôckhewer

    Rôckhewer Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 28, 2015
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Owner/Builder- RockHewer Custom Guitars LLC
    So happy in fact....
    Figured I would go ahead &... 20170811_151458.jpg 20170811_151515.jpg laser etch my name on it.;)
    (Inside the e-cavity cover... I can't see stamping numbers & crap anywhere on the outside).:rollno:
     
  5. Rôckhewer

    Rôckhewer Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 28, 2015
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Owner/Builder- RockHewer Custom Guitars LLC
    BTW.... another really cool thing about them lasers.
    After I finished the pickup covers, I measured them to .001 accuracy with a mic.
    Then drew that size box's on the 'puter...
    Then laser cut out 1/4" plywood sheets with dowel pin indexing holes.
    Then stacked them all together...to make a bitchin router template.
    And routed some of THE finest minimal tolerance pup pockets that I have personally ever seen.
    20170811_190114.jpg
    Apologies if I sound a bit....jubilant today.
    I am just stoked as all get out, when stuff goes well.
    :thumbsup::woot::cool:
     
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  6. Reedt2000

    Reedt2000 Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2017
    Central New Jersey
    Really cool idea, super nice execution! Can't wait to see how this all comes together.
     
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  7. Rôckhewer

    Rôckhewer Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 28, 2015
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Owner/Builder- RockHewer Custom Guitars LLC
    Here's a fun little detail I did to try to help stabity at the nut.
    So this neck is skinny... Jazz bass skinny... at 1.5"
    I mean...sure I used a volute... but still, it's like...damn skinny. And I didn't want to do heel end truss access, because of the extra frets.
    And... I'm using these rods with the stationary housing outside the adj. nut... cause they're the bomb..... But... all I have on hand in a core box bit for the TR nut area is 1/2" which isn't really a problem on a 5 string , which is what I have been doing mostly (I need to get a 3/8")
    20170812_135344.jpg
    Kinda scary right?
    So I made this... 20170813_065031.jpg
    I know it ain't much... but it ain't nothing either. I am feeling pretty good about it now....
    20170813_064825.jpg
    And once my fretboard...(which I made extra thick because it has lights)...gets glued on.....all will be well and sturdy. (Knock on wood) ;)
    Speaking of which... FB glue up is (finally) happening in a very strictly controlled circumstance
    In & upon my neck jig.
    20170812_193844.jpg
    I made this caul a while back... it has a convex channel on the fb side (like a fb sanding block)
    It's also 3 pc laminated... so it is still straight.
    Lucky I found that deep throat vice-grip clamp...just right for the extra fb length :)
     
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  8. rwkeating

    rwkeating

    Oct 1, 2014
    Chicago
    none
  9. Gilmourisgod

    Gilmourisgod

    Jun 23, 2014
    Cape Cod MA
    That's interesting that you used the neck jig for glue up, I hadn't thought of that. Any excuse to justify all the work I put into making my neck jig will do! Gonna totally steal that idea for Hossenfeffer II. Did you just set it dead flat and then jack out any deviation from zero as you tightened the caul?
     
  10. Rôckhewer

    Rôckhewer Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 28, 2015
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Owner/Builder- RockHewer Custom Guitars LLC
    Yes.
    BUT... next time I will not install the frets on the board first.
    The inlay I did on this one could not stand any more material being sanded off the frets...so that ruled out any post fb attachment leveling.

    Next time I have an inlay... I will wait to install it until after the fb is glued on the neck.
    That way any micro board leveling adjustment will be taken care of at the same time.
     
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  11. Rôckhewer

    Rôckhewer Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 28, 2015
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Owner/Builder- RockHewer Custom Guitars LLC
    This is not the same as the LMI rod.
    The silver part is not the actual nut... but a housing that the nut spins inside of. Which is why it is wider than a typical nut...requiring such a wide nut channel.
    20170813_210148.jpg
    These dual action rods are the best I have found... and cheaper than LMI
    Bass Truss Rod - Best Bass Gear
    Also... I failed to mention in my earlier post... normally I would not have mounted it so far "south" into the fretboard area... but witb this build having 4 extra frets... the heel is slightly farther back so I wanted to pick up an extra inch with the rod.
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2017
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  12. Gilmourisgod

    Gilmourisgod

    Jun 23, 2014
    Cape Cod MA
    Hey Rock, I used one of those BBG rods in my build, it came with a 4mm hex key that fit perfectly, lost it, of course. Now any other supposedly 4mm hex is a loose sloppy fit I'm worried will damage the nut. All the 4mm hex keys I've found locally mike to approx. 3.96mm, which seems to be standard. SAE sizes are too small or too big, i may have to get a 4.5mm hex and grind it down a little. I don't know if BBG is using "oversized" keys, or if I just got a bum rod, but don't lose that key!
     
  13. Rôckhewer

    Rôckhewer Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 28, 2015
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Owner/Builder- RockHewer Custom Guitars LLC
    Just mic'd the key they send with it.... 3.90mm
     
  14. Gilmourisgod

    Gilmourisgod

    Jun 23, 2014
    Cape Cod MA
    Dang, that's weird. I'm trying ones at 3.96mm and they are sloppy, must have gotten a bum rod! It's well and truly in there now, guess I'll have to live with it,
     
  15. Rôckhewer

    Rôckhewer Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 28, 2015
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Owner/Builder- RockHewer Custom Guitars LLC
    Ok... so with the fretboard on... the neck is now nice & stable. And fretwork is done...
    Something of a milestone that was more involved to reach on this build, than most. So... huzzah!

    Speaking of fretwork... how about that EVO gold fretwire ...huh?? Buffs up so shiney & purrty! 20170816_045029.jpg
    Strung it up to make sure everything was as it should be. :D 20170815_165136.jpg
    BTW.... ever look close at the Alembics featured custom archives pictures?
    Several...(like, a bunch!)...of their tailpieces (string alignment) are visibly off center from the neck laminations..... seriously.
    And they just announced a 15% increase of their prices. :rollno:
     
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  16. Gilmourisgod

    Gilmourisgod

    Jun 23, 2014
    Cape Cod MA
    Sweet Jesus that's looking nice! Alembic-Schlembic. They got nothing on your builds, hope you are getting reimbursed commensurate with your skills, always a problem with any craft. I do visit the Alembic site for many of my wood-porn needs, but their prices are crazy high.
     
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  17. Rôckhewer

    Rôckhewer Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 28, 2015
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Owner/Builder- RockHewer Custom Guitars LLC
    If anyone saw my seperate thread "blue finish..." it was about a week or so flddling with color tests trying to zero in on the blue.
    I found the formula...but then the same day... my client changed his mind. No blue. Now trans black...
    Ok
    Great....no really, no problem.
    Either way... I decided that the quilted maple wings were a bit too brown to take any dye that WASN'T a "woodtone" ,...without "flavoring" said color.
    So ....a-bleachin' is in order!
    Here's a nice look at the figure with the bleach soaking in... 20170825_051230.jpg
    And here is the amazing results. After 24 hours...
    20170825_104424.jpg
    Can't see the difference from previous images?
    Check this out... next to an unbleached scrap off the same plank...
    20170825_104636.jpg
    Yeah... Holy, "blondes have more fun" ...Batman!
    Now... I can get a nice transparent charcoal black...without it looking brownish green in the lighter areas. :thumbsup:
    The curly maple neck strips will still be left natural.
    So....Time to break out the masking tape.
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2017
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  18. Nomad98

    Nomad98

    Dec 13, 2005
    Minneapolis
    Bleaching... obviously I understand the concept but can you throw in the details (otherwise I might do something stupid like soak wood in 100% bleach).

    Love your builds by the way!
     
  19. Rôckhewer

    Rôckhewer Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 28, 2015
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Owner/Builder- RockHewer Custom Guitars LLC
    Thank you!

    Of course...my bad...
    This is what I used... got it at my local Woodcraft store, but I am sure it is available elsewhere, or online...
    20170826_072607.png
    Sponge brush on part A...
    Let soak 10 min.
    While still wet, brush on part B
    Let dry 24 hours.
    Wear gloves.... (don't ask me how I know how important that is)...:rollno:o_O
    It will raise grain...so it will need lightly sanded. But don't sand too much... it only bleaches about 1/32'' deep. (I suppose that varies depending upon how much you soak it)
     
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  20. Rôckhewer

    Rôckhewer Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 28, 2015
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Owner/Builder- RockHewer Custom Guitars LLC
    I failed to take any pictures, of the TransTint black dying process...
    How I approached it was just slightly different than is typical.
    I was aiming for a very smooth transition/ gradation of shade....dark to light, in the quilt figure. To get a kind of "black velvet" feel.
    So...after rubbing in some strong black tint (denatured alcohol carrier) ....Instead of sanding back for that stark contrast, I took a clean rag soaked in alcohol, and "washed back" .
    Really scrubbing at it.... like I was trying to wash off the dye. I feel that had the effect of a very gradual feather of color in the figure.
    I repeated that process until the shade was where I wanted.
    Here we are after a few coats of clear....
    (The color of this pic is wierd... due to the light in the booth I guess. For instance, that tape is actually green.)
    20170828_154904.jpg
    BTW... obviously the wings are not bookmatched. That would've been cool... but they're solid....so try to find 14/4 5A quilt? (rottsaruck)
    The owner wanted the two strips of rock maple in the center of the neck...dyed black as well.
    But there is all that Ebony in there too! So.... I felt better leaving those somewhat gray...so the contrast is not completely lost.
    Kinda bummed out about the headstock caps though. I used ebony as a contrasting stripe between the quilted maple cap & curly maple of the neck. (Back when I thought it would be blue). But now you can barely tell there's ebony there at all.
     
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2017
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