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The Genius of Katy Perry, Daft Punk and Lady Gaga

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by Frank Tuesday, Apr 1, 2014.

  1. Frank Tuesday

    Frank Tuesday

    Jul 11, 2008
    Austin, TX
  2. socialleper

    socialleper Bringer of doom and top shelf beer Supporting Member

    May 31, 2009
    Canyon Country, CA
    Here, I will distill it down for you.
    1.) Find a simple, catchy beat
    2.) Repeat it as often as possible
    3.) Wrap it in a visually sensational package


    There is no genius to any of those three, just marketing exploitation.
  3. trowaclown


    Feb 26, 2008
    If it were so simple everyone will be doing it. Artists like Daft Punk, who spent a week looking for the perfect vocoder setting for a song, surely deserve more respect that this.
  4. Mushroo

    Mushroo Supporting Member

    Apr 2, 2007
    Massachusetts, USA
    April Fools post I presume? :D
  5. fmoore200


    Mar 22, 2011
    I would also like to point out that Lady Gaga is a truly talented piano player. She writes her own music and does a good deal of the orchestration/arranging.

    I don't care for most of her music, and I wouldn't call her a genius, but she is far from a hack.
  6. Loved the articles. I've become a closet pop junkie, specifically because I love hearing clever music hidden in pop. See: Justin Timberlake, Gaga, Daft Punk, Flo Rida. Even the bubblegum culprits have some cool tunes, e.g. Toxic by Brittney Spears.
  7. but did britney sample that little lick from Linkin Park or did they sample it from her?

    there's a lot of really good pop music out right now. and really good country. and really good metal. and really good rap. what an era to be alive.
  8. Slade N

    Slade N sunn #91 AZ Bands #?

    May 28, 2005
    portland, or
    its because its simple that makes it difficult to get right. lots of people try but dont get the right balance of its elements to make it work. think of how many bands/artists that youve seen that have sucked that have achived success or been fantastic and ignored.

    not everyone can or will do it not matter how simple it is because not everyone has the same thing to offer
  9. elgecko


    Apr 30, 2007
    Anasleim, CA
    Liberal use of the word "genius". :meh:
  10. I am Soma

    I am Soma Supporting Member

    Jan 2, 2013
    A simple wikipedia search reveals she doesn't write her own music. Majority of her hits are written by others although she appears to contribute on some of the songs. No idea where you got the orchestrating/arraning info from, but I sure can't find it. Plus it hurts my ears.
  11. Smooth_bass88

    Smooth_bass88 Groove it

    Oct 31, 2006
    The genius of Daft Punk's "Get Lucky" is Nathan East's deep-pocketed, groovy, five string bass line...I think that's the reason it became such a worldwide hit!
  12. Don't know where you looked but a quick Wiki of the albums 'Born This Way' or 'Artpop' and a scroll down to the credits says otherwise.
  13. I am Soma

    I am Soma Supporting Member

    Jan 2, 2013
    Just did and I saw a total of one song she wrote herself. The rest had producers/songwriters who work with other pop artists with her contributing.
  14. joebar


    Jan 10, 2010
    katy perry=nursery rhymes for teenagers
  15. She works with people but she's listed first in the songwriting credits in virtually every instance. She claims to write her songs. I can't find any evidence to the contrary. If you have some I'd like to see it.
  16. kevteop


    Feb 12, 2008
    York, UK
    I always thought the bass part was a bit weak. Certainly when you hear Nile Rodgers you expect to get a great bass part and it just didn't live up to expectations.

    I think the appearance of Pharrell along with the familiar groove of Nile Rodgers' guitar is what sold the record. Personally I think the chorus is very weak.
  17. dvh

    dvh Supporting Member

    Sep 1, 2006
    Halifax, Nova Scotia
    The theory explains the songs. It didn't write them.

    It doesn't make these songs "genius". They sound good (depending on one's taste, of course) because of decisions made by ear.

    It's a little like having a meteorologist explain the structure and subsequent effects of a hurricane in the language of his profession. It doesn't change the outcomes of the hurricane.

    EDIT: That doesn't mean I'm a proponent of ear-only musicianship!
  18. Fat Steve

    Fat Steve The poodle bites, the poodle chews it.

    It's threads like this that remind me how much I hate talking shop with other musicians when the subject of pop music is broached.
  19. Kmonk


    Oct 18, 2012
    South Shore, Massachusetts
    Endorsing Artist: Fender, Spector, Ampeg, Curt Mangan Strings, Nordstrand Pickups, Korg Keyboards
    Pretty much sums it up, except you forgot Autotune in the studio and lip synching when allegedly performing live.
  20. Clef_de_fa


    Dec 25, 2011
    Searching for the perfect vocoder say more about the perfect tool than the actual music ...

    It could be 8th note for 4 minutes and only playing a C note ... but because they use a tooth brush to record that C note in 8th notes for 4 min it is the best thing ever ...

    to me whatever the tool you used it is still only a C note in 8th note rythm for 4 minutes ...