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The Girl From Ipanema

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by stephanie, Jul 31, 2002.


  1. stephanie

    stephanie

    Nov 14, 2000
    Scranton, PA
    I'm not too familiar with Brazilian music and was just given this tune to make up a bassline to.

    I can recall the verse of the song and am not finding a problem with it, but then it hits quarter-note triplets in the B section and I get lost on the rhythm. I am stuck on what kind of rhythmic feel the bass should have here.

    Not trying to cheat :D but any suggestions?

    Thanks,
    Stephanie
     
  2. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY
    EPIPHANY,

    In the Key of "F", the changes to the A section are:

    //Fma7.../Fma7.../G7#4.../G7#4/Gmi7.../Gb7#4.../Fma7.../Gb7#4...//

    While the bridge is:

    //GbMa7.../GbMa7.../B7.../B7.../F#mi7.../F#mi7.../D7.../D7.../
    /Gmi7.../Gmi7.../Eb7.../Eb7.../Ami7.../D7.../Gmi.../C7 (orGb7)...//

    The form is AABA. There are of course lots of alternate changes that you can use, but these are the basic ones.

    The basic standard beat to this song is Bossa Nova. While there are many ways to play this, one of the most common is to play the following rhythm in each measure: Dotted Quarter..8th...Dotted Quarter...8th// with the root of each chord on "one" and the "& of four", and the fifth of the chord on the "& of two" and "three".

    Hope this helps.

    DURRL
     
  3. stephanie

    stephanie

    Nov 14, 2000
    Scranton, PA
    Thanks DURRL, that's exactly what I was looking for! We didn't have time to look over the song at my lesson cuz we were out of time (actually way overtime :D), heh. But my teacher briefly mentioned about how this type of music uses the root and 5th and he played a little line. I know he mentioned about rhythm but I totally forgot what he said by the time I got home. :(

    Anyway, thanks again :)
    Stephanie
     
  4. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY
    You're most welcome, sis. BTW, I forgot to mention that on every "A" section except for the one leading to the bridge, the chord in the last measure is usually a Gb7#4 rather than an FMa7. Going into the bridge, the "A" section ends with two measures of Fma7. I edited my initial post to reflect this change - just remember to alter the last measure of "A" going into the bridge.
     
  5. Thanks, I really needed that song stuck in my head.
    I'm going to be walking with a bossa groove all night.
     
  6. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY
    Hey, it could be worse...I mean, somebody might have asked for the changes to Journey's "Wheel in the Sky" or something, and THEN where would you be? Huh? Think about it.
     
  7. Thanks again, why do I feel like I was just set up?
    Bassturd.
     
  8. stephanie

    stephanie

    Nov 14, 2000
    Scranton, PA
    Thanks DURRL for letting me know of the edit. I tried working on this tonite. Heh, for some reason I'm finding it hard. Well, I'm playing what you gave me and mixed up a few rhythms of my own. But it's kinda boring if I play that same rhythm the whole way through, isn't it? Or is it ok to do so?

    Gruffpuppy: heh, sorry about that. The silly song's stuck in my head too. Even worse, I have my mom singing it now. Last week it was "Summertime" and she was singing that the whole week. I wish my teacher would give me a song without lyrics. :D
     
  9. jazzbo

    jazzbo

    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    Do you know them? I can't get the bridge! :eek:

    [humming to self]

    wheel in the sky keeps on turnin' ... won't be too long hmm hmm hmm hm .... ooh the wheel in the sky keeps tu-ur-ur-urin' ... wheel in the sky keeps me yearnin'
     
  10. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY

    And you're a better man for it, trust me. :D
     
  11. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY
    Absolutely, it's boring as hell unless you are a master bassist, and even then - in my humble opinion - the bassline would still be pretty boring. The old "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" feel is just a starting point. With my students, I usually teach concepts in "deconstructing" these kinds of basslines by tying some of the values together (this is easier to do WITH a good drummer than without).

    Unfortunately, illustrating ties in text such as we are limited to here at TB is one of the most difficult things to do, so I won't attempt a ton of illustrations. For starters, try playing your roots and 5ths on the following parts of the beat:

    1..&of2....4

    1..&of2..&of3
    R....5.......R - (or)
    R....5.......5

    1..&of2...&of4

    etc...and mix it up. If your time is good, this will help loosen the feel up a little bit.

    Also, anywhere the chord changes last two bars apiece, you can play a two bar pattern, such as

    //1..&of2...4/.&of1..3.4.//
    //R....5.....5/...R.....5.5.//

    etc., which can get the root off of the down beat of the second measure. Also keep im mind that you have several octave displacements of both the root and fifth to work with to bring variety to your line. It's amazing how many subtle permutations you can come up with by simply playing up to the fifth or 8ve in on measure and then down to the same in the next.
     
  12. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    I thought that was the even 'older' "Song For My Father" by Horace Silver? ;)

    Good post, Chris-
    Glad to see someone else attempt rhythmic notation at this site...
    I would only add this-
    Don't forget you can play the 5th above & below the root; same goes for 'varying the root'-

    Bar 1
    l1--&of2--4-l-&of1--3-4-l
    1= root(say, "C" @3rd fret/A-string)
    &of2 = 5("G" @5th fret/d-string)
    4 = 5("G" @3rd fret/E-string)

    Bar 2
    &of1 = root("C" @3rd fret/A-string)
    3 = 5("G" @ 5th fret/D-string)
    4 = root("C" @5th fret/G-string)

    Eventually, try employing some b5s & b9s(as 'lead-in/approach tones).
     
  13. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 19, 2000
    Louisville, KY

    Also right on the money. You listening, sis?
     
  14. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    I always enjoy using different chord tones in the bassline, while sticking closer to the traditional bossa feel. That way, the band is still getting the feel they desire, and I can try all sorts of 'pretty notes'.
     
  15. stephanie

    stephanie

    Nov 14, 2000
    Scranton, PA
    Yup. I'm here, copying all this stuff down (sucks not to have a printer :p). Heh, and I'm not sure if I've heard either of those songs, maybe just the titles. Oh well. I'm new at all this. :)

    Wow. I come back today not expecting all these replies! Thank you for all the help. I'll try and see what I can do with this song. :)

    Thanks again,
    Stephanie
     
  16. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999

    Did Jobim ever play with Stan Getz?

    If so-

    1)Jobim played with Getz who...
    2)Played with Tony Williams who...(Captain Marvel)
    3)Played with Carlos Santana who(Swing Of Delight)...
    4)Played with Neal Schon who(Santana/Buddy Miles LIVE)...
    5)Played with Steve Perry.
     
  17. jazzbo

    jazzbo

    Aug 25, 2000
    San Francisco, CA
    Oooooooh. MUSICAL six degrees of separation. THAT, could be fun.
     
  18. OK, this should be kinda fun...let's see someone link Thelonius Monk and Eddie Van Halen through six degrees of musical separation!
     
  19. Richard Lindsey

    Richard Lindsey

    Mar 25, 2000
    Metro NYC
    OK, how about this:

    1. Monk played with Coltrane (Five Spot)

    2. Coltrane played with Miles (Kind of Blue)

    3. Miles played with Quincy Jones (Miles and Quincy Live at Montreux)

    4. Quincy produced Michael Jackson (Thriller)

    5. Jackson worked with Van Halen ("Beat It")

    QED.

    EDIT: Don't wanna hijack Stephanie's thread, though--maybe we should take this outside?
     
  20. JimK

    JimK

    Dec 12, 1999
    Good one, Richard.

    I've played this "game"(?) before & it all became really too easy-
    Everybody has played with Miles!
    (As you have already demonstrated). ;)

    ...I agree, though, let's "take it outside"!
    (I have a couple up my sleeve I'd like to see some of you crack) ;)

    Off to Misc?