The "Help Vince S. Move Out" Thread

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by Vince S., Jul 2, 2008.

  1. Vince S.

    Vince S. Resident Former Bassist

    Jan 24, 2003
    As some of you may know from my past threads, my relationship with my parents, especially my dad, has never been that great, and it's been deteriorating even more over this summer. My dad has always been very disciplinarian and authoritarian, and has a tight rein over our house. He has expressly forbidden me from pursuing a career as a Paramedic after college and from moving out until I get a stable career that he approves of.

    I have to work at the company he works for over the summer, and seeing his behavior difference is appalling. At work he is meek and lets co-workers walk all over him, so he comes home and takes out his rage on me and my family.

    Tonight was another blowout: at dinner, he asked how many assignments I had completed at work today, despite him not being the manager of my department. I politely told him that I didn't feel comfortable discussing work matters with him at home since I don't agree with the concept of "bringing your work home", and he promptly blew up at me, telling me that I was lazy and probably trying to hide something, and that just because he wasn't my manager didn't mean that I could "disobey" him. He raised his fist to strike me but backed off at the last second. My mother started yelling at me as well, defending him and saying that I needed to tell my father what I did at work.

    Later into the meal, my mother was telling us about an incident that occurred at a summer camp she is volunteering at, and how the camp director had to down play and omit some information to avoid trouble from campers' parents. I remarked that I thought that was morally wrong, at which point my dad exploded again, calling me a moron and saying that "lying is acceptable if you're protecting yourself". I found this statement offensively ironic as he had always taught me growing up that lying was wrong, and beat me for it. I remember when I was a child I'd get smacked around for doing something wrong like spilling a cup of juice on the floor, then get smacked around again for lying about it to try to save myself from getting hit, but I digress.

    I know going back to college is less than two months away, but I want to move out from my parents' home permanently so I don't have to come back for the summers or school breaks. My dad glares at me all the time and looks at me like I'm filth, and basically tells me that he's ashamed that I'm his son. However with all this vitriol, he still forbids me from moving out and says that he'll "be the one to decide when I'm allowed to move out".

    I'm not really in a position to support myself financially either; they're paying my college tuition, no steady job except two part-time summer jobs, medical and dental insurance under my parents, no car, and a bank account with less than 500 dollars that my parents have access to (theoretically they can strangle me financially if I just upped and left in the middle of the night by draining my account).

    It's come to a point that I'm willing to make drastic changes like drop out of college to get out of here. I want to plan carefully and not make any rash decisions, and try to stay in college if at all possible because dropping out would be the biggest blow to my financial future. I am also on some student loans which would enter repayment if I withdrew from school. I don't know where to begin in terms of the whole insurance thing either.

    I don't want to sound like I'm ungrateful, since I do appreciate my parents paying my tuition. However, it's on the condition that I do what my father wants me to do with my life and career post-college, and I just can't handle that. I also can't handle living at home anymore, with the way my father treats me. It's a very toxic and hostile environment, and just this evening, I had a feeling--a feeling of dread and fear, that I haven't had of him since I was a little kid and he used to beat me for small or non-existent things.

    Again, I'd like to plan a way to get out within reason and logic, but I'm willing to go as far as quitting college to leave if it comes to it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

    Mostly, I need advice regarding medical/dental insurance, getting a vehicle, ideas of where to go and where to look for housing. Also, since I am 19, would it be legal for my parents to forcibly make me move back if I did leave? Without crossing over into paranoia land, it almost seems like the way things are set up now (being forbidden from purchasing a car, the control, access, and withdrawals from my bank accounts, etc.), my dad has me exactly where he wants me and could use those resources to strangle me if I tried to leave.
     
  2. I can't really help but wish you luck, by what you say it's time to fly the nest, the optomist in me thinks you're dad is trying to stop you making mistakes perhaps he made - but we're all different, he should let you find your own way, good luck mate.
     
  3. If you do move out, drain your bank account. That way they can't do it. Look for some friends from school that have their own places and see if you can room with them.

    lowsound
     
  4. steve21

    steve21 Inactive

    If you decide to do anything, make sure open your own bank account and transfer all those funds. If it's YOUR money, it's YOUR money.
     
  5. tplyons

    tplyons

    Apr 6, 2003
    Madison, NJ
    First of all, you're in a tough spot. I could move out any time considering I pay my own way through college. They've probably gone about $50,000 in debt or more for you already, and that's something to hold over someone's head.

    HOWEVER, if you feel that you are in danger, get out. I know people who've done it, work full time jobs in the second shift, and basically lose a good portion of their social life in order to pay their way through college, pay for their car, etc.

    When I turned 18, I moved a majority of my money into an account in another bank. Not just to keep it from my parents, but to make it more readilly accessible to me. However, you may want to consider having a second account opened, just in case, where you can withdraw it in an instant and move it.

    I, too, work with my dad. We do not discuss work outside of work, and seldom while we're at work because we're in different departments. Tell him you will not discuss work outside of work, and that's that. If he has a problem with that, he can ask your boss how you're doing, and should probably get the none of your business answer too. Why? It is none of his business.

    Good luck, hang in there.
     
  6. I'm no counselor, and probably not really qualified to offer you advice of any sort in this matter, but have you considered the military? You'd have complete medical and dental coverage, a very nice life insurance policy, a great deal with the revised GI Bill that was just signed into law, and a good start on your future.

    When I was 19, I was a high-school dropout working three jobs to make ends meet and feed my wife and two-year old. I was going nowhere fast, and I could see my future - working minimum-wage jobs and just making ends meet until I was too old to work, and then being a burden on the system.

    A little paperwork with the Navy recruiter, and 10 years later, I supervise 30+ people, I enjoy the confidence of my superiors and the respect of my subordinates. I'm almost done with a bachelor's in electrical engineering, and will be using my GI Bill to fund my music degree... unless I transfer the benefits to my daughter for her college in another 8 years or so. I have no serious complaints about the medical system, and I've been all over the world.

    Plus I make a nice living to boot.

    I'm not saying it's right for everyone, and I'm certainly not saying the military's perfect, but it should be an option for you, IMHO.
     
  7. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    You want to be a paramedic? Thought about the military? You seem like a really bright kid, with a good head on your shoulders. Consider the Air Force? (sure, you could also try a lesser service...) Room, board, money.

    It's not the only answer to be sure, but you seem like you'd be pretty solid.
     
  8. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    dang it! those Navy guys are sneaky! or premature....
     
  9. tplyons

    tplyons

    Apr 6, 2003
    Madison, NJ
    Sounds like a great plan actually. Call a recruiter!
     
  10. steve21

    steve21 Inactive

    premature seamen...

    *snickers*
     
  11. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification

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  12. Last time I was in Portsmouth it was awash with discharged seamen.

    Apologies for interrupting you're thread - it might cheers you though.
     
  13. Vince S.

    Vince S. Resident Former Bassist

    Jan 24, 2003
    I have considered the military when I was back in high school, but I don't think that I am cut out for it. I have a heart condition which I have to see a cardiologist for yearly. I used to want to be a law enforcement officer and was a Police Explorer for a couple of years in high school. It turned out my heart condition is a disqualifier for a police career, so I'd assume the military would have similar health standards. Please let me know if I'm incorrect on this.

    Also, I tried to reach out to my mom tonight, but it went downhill pretty fast. I told her I felt uncomfortable with the earlier incident of my father demanding me to tell him how much work I had gotten done at the office today, and her response was "your dad is your dad, therefore he is your boss at home and at work, and will be for the rest of your life. You need to obey him. You need to understand that."

    She then said that she and my father think that I am unappreciative and selfish; I told her that I appreciated that she and my dad are paying for my college tuition and letting me live in their home. She said that if I truly appreciated it, I would do as I was told in regards to my future and career and "stop this Paramedic nonsense".

    I will look into opening a second bank account. The problem is that I can't deposit my paychecks into it, since my parents will ask where the money is going as they monitor my account. Furthermore, even though I am depositing paychecks into my current account, my parents' access ensures that they keep it at a certain amount for me to use as "spending money", but not enough to pay for anything "big", such as a car or to rent an apartment.

    I'll also start to inventory some of my belongings and see what I need and don't need, and possibly put some things up on eBay to make some cash to put into the new account.

    The biggest issue to deal with is the college loan repayments. I probably have close to 20K to pay back now with the loans my parents signed me up for; the loans don't enter repayment until I graduate or withdraw from college, so if drop out, I'm going to have to start paying within six months.

    I have considered whether I should submit and stay the career and life that my father has chosen for me, and I do wonder if he's doing it because he truly cares. However, he has already made it clear to me in the past that he thinks that I'm a failure and "unworthy of being his son". I have not been welcome in his home for a while now; my younger brother is off to U. Penn in the fall to major in engineering, following the path my father prescribed for him to a "T". My father often says that my brother is the example of what a good son should be, and makes sure to rub it in my face every chance he gets.
     
  14. Dude I wish I had a room open for you since I live in the DC Metro area. :meh:

    I know some campuses allow over the summer stay programs in dorms can't you get into one of those and apply for government loan programs?
     
  15. tplyons

    tplyons

    Apr 6, 2003
    Madison, NJ
    Don't submit. Will it make you happy? No. No point in being sad for the rest of your life.

    There are times where you need to step back and decide if you really need what your parents give you, etc. and compare that with your own happiness.

    If I were in your situation, I'd likely jump ship, and take on my own college loans.
     
  16. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    Dude, I'm sorry. You deserve better than that, and I don't know you. If I was staying in the CONUS, I'd rent you a room. Seriously.

    Let's look at what you need - you need education to achieve your goals, obviously. You need shelter, and food. Shelter and food are pretty easy - any job can provide you with that. Education is still pretty easy - grants, loans, etc. Roommates can give you a lot of breathing room. Question: how close are you to paramedic work with the education you have now?
     
  17. Vince S.

    Vince S. Resident Former Bassist

    Jan 24, 2003
    I have about 60 college credits, and my Connecticut EMT-Basic certification along with three years of experience as an active volunteer EMT. Paramedic education is roughly one to two years depending on the frequency that class meets. Some EMS companies and departments will pay tuition for Paramedic school for their EMT employees, so that's something I wish to look into.
     
  18. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
    Wait, are you telling me you're already an EMT?

    Dude - you're golden! You've just got to decide who your roommates are going to be!

    Take the coming year at school - I'm betting you can hang for a summer? - and set yourself up. Look for a job, find a place, based on the income of the job you find. Get on as an EMT.

    The cool thing about college loans is, as long as you're trying to pay them back, you're pretty much ok. Understand that you'll have to make sacrifices in lifestyle, and it looks pretty good, doesn't it?

    My dad taught me a lot. On my myspace page, the only blog I've posted is what I wrote as his eulogy. Included in that is that my dad taught me to love what you do (I told you this in PM) - but he never used the words. He just did what he loved, and SHOWED me. It's invaluable dude - he loved it, and the money came. Guess what, I do what I love - and the money came. Success has many definitions!
     
  19. CrashClint

    CrashClint I Play Bass therefore I Am

    Nov 15, 2005
    Wake Forest, NC
    DR Strings Dealer (local only)
    Talk to your advisor at school. There may be a way to get grants that do not look at your parents income. They also may know a way of granting you the ability to live on campus during breaks and summer and if they don't they should know how to point you in the right direction.
     
  20. Jonyak

    Jonyak

    Oct 2, 2007
    Ottawa, Ont
    I'd beat your dad down and show him whos's boss.

    Your parents are not going to help you. You need to help you. Man up and ge out of there. don't talk to them.

    I would never talk to my parents again if they did what they are doing to you.