The key to successful Modeling?

Well you can do that for sure, but just because it's a powered monitor doesn't mean it's going to sound identical to the FOH sound.

 

Key to successful modeling?

 

There was an excellent editorial several years ago in, um, Recording Magazine I think, that suggested that one of the keys to successful amp modelling was to play the models at a similar SPL to the amps being modelled.

iow, no matter how clever your DSP is, you'll never completely capture the sound of an Acoustic 371 stack if you're playing at a level quiet enough to hold a conversation in the same room. Half of the "sound" of an amplifier is a result of the (sometimes very tangible) physical interaction of the instrument -- and instrumentalist -- with the soundwaves eminating from the speakers.

 

I don't think you'll capture the sound of ANY tube amp with modeling, although I'll be the first to admit that they've made huge strides in copping tones that sound similar to old tube amps.

 

yup. AxeFxII.

 

Soon we will be discussing 3d printed tubes vs. tube modelling, vs nos tubes.

 

I think I get what you're saying. When I mess around with preamp pedals/DI's I always experiment with them through headphones and PA speakers to get a direct sound that I like (that's what they are design for). Then I run it through my amp (with a DI to the house before the amp) and I tweak the bass amp to sound close to the direct sound. I usually have to add a few mids and highs back at the amp.

 

I've been doing something like this for more than a couple of years now...successfully....

 

Lol

 

True dat.
With tweaking and ADDING some highs that the 301(18" speaker) removes, you can have something that sounds a little better AND feels as good....with the right cabs & SPL.

The main key is to spend a LOT(hours, weeks, months) tweaking and saving numerous patches(clones or not) to sound GREAT on YOUR full range speakers. You may end up with 2 sets of them. Here we have about 12(3 banks of 4) tweaked to sound good on BOSE(ok, as good as possible ), excellent on ACME's or studio headphones or a biamped rig(18 sub + 15/horn top). The 18 sub was got for a DJ rig we're building BUT it made me remember why I LOVED the 301 cabinet. Lows you and everyone else can feel, gives your bass major authority.

 

I like tube amps, but some of my favorite overdriven bass tones were recorded on S.S. amps that had no tube preamp even.

But had a revelation recently after using DI sounds for years. Nothing quite sounds like a mic'd cabinet.