The key to successful Modeling?

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by Grissle, Jul 11, 2013.

  1. Grissle


    May 17, 2009
    On a, lets say hunch, I ran my VT Bass and Leeds pedals through a powered monitor instead of my amp with really nice results, so I thought I wonder how my old Line6 Bass Pod XT Live sound? Wow! what a difference! I've ran all them through my amps in the past, SVT4 pro, SVT350, ba115 and ba108 but I now realize their inherent coloring really affected the modeled sound I was getting. So for example it would sound like a Hiwatt piped through an Ampeg. I'm sure when developing their models Tech21 are listening through Studio monitors or some such thing because the difference between running through my amp/s and the full range monitor is big. So I'm now re-thinking my setup. Another plus to monitoring my setup through the full range cab is that I can D.I. to the FOH and get my sound also. And since most sound guys prefer to DI instead of mic it resolves those issues.
  2. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Well you can do that for sure, but just because it's a powered monitor doesn't mean it's going to sound identical to the FOH sound.
  3. Grissle


    May 17, 2009
    Yes absolutely true but its much closer than my Ampeg amp/s + 810 cab.setup. I would never sell my amps but when I need something different it seems the full range approach is a nice option.
  4. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Inactive

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    Key to successful modeling?

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  5. Roscoe East

    Roscoe East

    Aug 22, 2011
    There was an excellent editorial several years ago in, um, Recording Magazine I think, that suggested that one of the keys to successful amp modelling was to play the models at a similar SPL to the amps being modelled.

    iow, no matter how clever your DSP is, you'll never completely capture the sound of an Acoustic 371 stack if you're playing at a level quiet enough to hold a conversation in the same room. Half of the "sound" of an amplifier is a result of the (sometimes very tangible) physical interaction of the instrument -- and instrumentalist -- with the soundwaves eminating from the speakers.
  6. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    I don't think you'll capture the sound of ANY tube amp with modeling, although I'll be the first to admit that they've made huge strides in copping tones that sound similar to old tube amps.
  7. jimfist

    jimfist "Cling tenaciously to my buttocks!" Supporting Member

    Mar 28, 2011
    Boston, MA (USA)
    yup. AxeFxII.
  8. chicago_mike


    Oct 9, 2007
    Chicago - LA - Rome - Dallas
    Endorsing Artist : Genz Benz
    Soon we will be discussing 3d printed tubes vs. tube modelling, vs nos tubes.
  9. father of fires

    father of fires Commercial User

    Nov 29, 2006
    Chief of Medicine at Damnation Audio
    I think I get what you're saying. When I mess around with preamp pedals/DI's I always experiment with them through headphones and PA speakers to get a direct sound that I like (that's what they are design for). Then I run it through my amp (with a DI to the house before the amp) and I tweak the bass amp to sound close to the direct sound. I usually have to add a few mids and highs back at the amp.

  10. I've been doing something like this for more than a couple of years now...successfully....:bag:
  11. Swift713

    Swift713 Supporting Member

    Dec 4, 2006
    Florence, Ma
  12. Johnny Crab

    Johnny Crab HELIX user & BOSE Abuser

    Feb 11, 2004
    True dat.
    With tweaking and ADDING some highs that the 301(18" speaker) removes, you can have something that sounds a little better AND feels as good....with the right cabs & SPL.

    The main key is to spend a LOT(hours, weeks, months) tweaking and saving numerous patches(clones or not) to sound GREAT on YOUR full range speakers. You may end up with 2 sets of them. Here we have about 12(3 banks of 4) tweaked to sound good on BOSE(ok, as good as possible :D ), excellent on ACME's or studio headphones or a biamped rig(18 sub + 15/horn top). The 18 sub was got for a DJ rig we're building BUT it made me remember why I LOVED the 301 cabinet. Lows you and everyone else can feel, gives your bass major authority.
  13. I like tube amps, but some of my favorite overdriven bass tones were recorded on S.S. amps that had no tube preamp even.

    But had a revelation recently after using DI sounds for years. Nothing quite sounds like a mic'd cabinet.:cool: