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The new debate: Quarter Sawn Red Oak vs. Quarter Sawn White Oak

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by Jeff Scott, Jan 19, 2017.


  1. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    Discuss. Preferences, looks, staining qualities, flecking, wainscoting uses, as in board and batten. Do flat sawn oak boards (panels) go well with quarter sawn batten (both vertical and horizontal? And would you mix-n-match red and white oak for wainscoting? And if you do, which do you prefer for the boards and which for the battens?

    TIA :cool:
     
  2. mrpackerguy

    mrpackerguy Supporting Member

    Jul 3, 2004
    Madison, Wisconsin
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  3. bholder

    bholder Affable Sociopath Supporting Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    central NY state
    Received a gift from Sire* (see sig)
    Batten and wainscoting are great words. All I got, sorry.
     
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  4. MJ5150

    MJ5150 Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Apr 12, 2001
    Olympia, WA
    In our house, we prefer red oak. It's our choice for flooring.

    -Mike
     
  5. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    This is not for flooring. We have white oak on the floors already (real, solid, not engineered).

    Perhaps some example of board & batten wainscoting would be helpful, here. :cool: This is not necessarily white or red oak, just examples of B&B wainscoting.

    Quarter Sawn Oak Wainscoting-Burgundy Walls-Wall Sconces.

    Quarter Sawn Oak Wainscoting-Green Walls.

    Quarter Sawn Oak Wainscoting-Green Walls-AC Huntingtom Light.

    Quarter Sawn White Oak Wainscoting 01.

    Plate Rail Support-B&B Wainscoting 01.

    Plate Rail Support-B&B Wainscoting 07.

    Plate Rail Support-B&B Wainscoting 08.

    BTW, the ceiling light in the 3rd photo is what we are putting in our project.
     
  6. blastoff99

    blastoff99 Moderator Staff Member

    Dec 17, 2011
    SW WA, USA
    You have very classy dilemmas, sir!

    :thumbsup:
     
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  7. sissy kathy

    sissy kathy Back to Bass-ics Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 21, 2014
    Arbutus, MD
    I like wood interiors, but I prefer light colors. If they have to be mixed, I'd go with white oak and red oak battens. The red oak will kind of frame the boards. I've never heard of board and batten wainscoting. I thought that was reserved for barns. I'm kind of partial to random width shiplap myself, though that's a little informal for a dining room. For a dining room I'd rather see either bead board (still a little informal) or frame and panel. I guess the board and batten would go well with "Arts and Crafts" architecture though.
     
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  8. Stewie26

    Stewie26 Supporting Member

    I have always preferred white oak. My previous home had quite a bit. Red oak seems to come in many variations and is harder to match colors and grain when building a project. My current newer home has zero oak. It has lots of alder wood and hickory wood floors. I did not pick these woods. The builder had already installed when I purchased the home.
     
  9. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    The house was built in 1914 and was not well maintained. We are working to make this home nicer than it would have been by just simply fixing plaster and painting (the kitchen was horrible!). It has some A&C touches to it so we are moving in that direction with the interior restoration. We have already done a gut reno of the kitchen/pantry/back hall, and of the attic. Now, the dining room, then the living room and other downstairs areas.

    Shiplap is nice, but as you say, it is pretty informal looking, and more suited to a New England/costal/cottage style home. We've already put beadboard in the kitchen and bathroom, and, board & batten (B&B) is a defining feature in many dining rooms (and other rooms/hallways) of turn-of-the-last-century homes. The 1st floor has oak window/door casing, baseboards, crown molding, picture rail, doors, and some other trim, but I have not been able to positively identifying which oak it is as the old growth stuff looks a bit different from the newer growth oak, and in some respects it is not easy to zero in on white/red oak characteristics.

    50 years ago, or so, the wood was painted white; we have stripped some of it off in the dining room, but not perfectly as there is paint in lots of grain/holes in the wood, still. We have been considering repainting the trim in the dining room white (Benjamin Moore's Mountain Peak White), and using poplar for the B&B and paint it along with the trim (except for the doors, crown molding, picture rail, and window casing/sash, which will get stained) for cost reasons. The wainscoting will not come in contact with the window trim, I have a design in mind to do that, but there is the option to go with all of the wood stained if we go with oak for the B&B, assuming the cost is not too crazy high.
     
  10. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    Good observation, thanks.

    Well, you could build Fender bodies, and axe handles with those wood choices...............
     
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  11. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    Here is the craftsman staircase railing I designed for the attic project we did the summer of 2015. The colors in the room are Southwest influenced, to go withe Navajo rug (and, eventually, some sand paintings we have to put up, yet).

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    Photograph Copyright © Jeffrey P. Scott 2015 All rights reserved.

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    Photograph Copyright © Jeffrey P. Scott 2015 All rights reserved.

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    Photograph Copyright © Jeffrey P. Scott 2015 All rights reserved.
     
  12. sissy kathy

    sissy kathy Back to Bass-ics Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 21, 2014
    Arbutus, MD
    The railing looks really really good. You might want to get in touch with a safety expert and have that stair railing evaluated though. It looks to me like it has a ladder effect going on, that could be the perspective though.
     
  13. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    No worries there.
     
  14. frnjplayer

    frnjplayer

    Feb 3, 2014
    I do believe that white oak was more commonly used in the Arts &crafts houses and furniture. I think it has to do with both the staining properties and the wood figure on quarter sawn oak. I forget the term for that figure however.
    My memory is good but it's short.
     
  15. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    Flecking.
     
  16. frnjplayer

    frnjplayer

    Feb 3, 2014
    Yes. AKA medullary Rays. It was bugging me so I had to look it up.
     
  17. Stewie26

    Stewie26 Supporting Member

    Just curious. Is this for your house or a client's house?

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  18. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    Ours.
     

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