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the proper power amp for AccuGroove Billy Dickens cabs?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Gregory Bruce Campbell, Apr 13, 2005.


  1. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    What would be the ideal single power amp to run one AccuGroove Billy dickens 212 main and one AccuGroove Billy dickens 212 sub together? (one power amp running two cabs)

    Now, What would be the ideal single power amp to run a pair of AccuGroove Billy dickens 212 mains and a pair of AccuGroove Billy dickens 212 subs together? (one power amp running four cabs)

    the AccuGroove Billy Dickens 212 main = 1000 watts at either 4 OR 8 ohms by way of the patented AccuSwitch

    the AccuGroove Billy Dickens SUB = 1400 watts at 4 ohms

    please recommend some brand names and include the model numbers... and if you know them.... prices would be great too!

    :)

    thank you!

    ;)
     
  2. emjazz

    emjazz Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2003
    Boston, MA
    Gregory, if you don't mind the weight than you should really look into a Crest CA9. They're 50 pounds but worth the haul. Very powerfull, dynamic amplifiers. www.crestaudio.com. You can find them used for around $650 or so. I see them a lot on Ebay. That amp would really do those cabs justice.
     
  3. secretdonkey

    secretdonkey

    Oct 9, 2002
    Austin, TX
    I'm using a CA9 to power a pair of Whappo Jr.s and would recommend this amp to anyone who doesn't mind the weight. I haven't done any direct comparisons with other amps, but I chose the Crest partly for its reputation for deep, solid and effortless lows - perfect amp for subs, yes? My CA9 barely gets warm even on my loudest gigs, so it's got power to spare for me. Even got mine used off eBay as emjazz suggested. I doubt you'd go wrong with any of the other amps popular with TBer's that are in the appropriate power range, either: Stewart World, QSC, etc.

    :)
     
  4. jusplayinmybass

    jusplayinmybass

    Apr 17, 2003
    Conyers, Ga
    Keith McMillan Instruments, SIT Strings, Accugroove Cabinets
    Greg


    If you still have your Stewart World 2.1 amps, one of those could do the trick. You can either run them biamp (subs on one channel and mains on the other). Or you could run it stereo (one sub and main on each channel). And I think that in stereo mode, the Stewart is 2 ohm stable.

    Now if you don't have the Stewart, I think that a QSC PLX3402 will do you nicely. I think they go for around $1100 new. And I haven't priced them on ebay.

    B Easy
    Myron
     
  5. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    Well, to back up the prior suggestions, I would say that if light weight is of great importance to you, then one (or two!) Stewart World 2.1's are my recommendation. If weight is not a factor, then one (or two!) Crest CA9's are the best that I have had the opportunity to try.

    That sounds like one heck of a rig!

    Tom.
     
  6. Matt Morgan

    Matt Morgan Fellow Conspirator Supporting Member

    Oct 21, 2001
    Plano, TX
    I too am a big fan of Crest power amps.
    I think if you put a Crest Pro 8200 (1450w per channel @ 4 ohms stereo) or a Crest Pro 9200 (2200w per channel @ 4 ohms stereo) behind that combination of cabs, I could propbably hear you here in Virginia.
    That rig would put out some serious dbs!
    I hope you've got a good relationship with your audiologist!
    Just out of curiosity, what types of gigs are you playing?
     
  7. DEVILMAN

    DEVILMAN

    Nov 24, 2001
    New York,NY
    Crown MA series.

    Do you own/use these cabs as of yet/

    ~S~
     
  8. Brian Barrett

    Brian Barrett

    Nov 25, 2001
    Murfreesboro, TN (Nashville)
    Dealer LowEndBassShop.com, Builder LowEndBasses.com

    DITTO

    Also I believe Mark uses the Pro 200 series as well.... atleast thats what I see in his rack at NAMM.
     
  9. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    I currently own:

    4 AccuGroove tri 112s
    2 Stewart world 2.1s
    and 4 millennia tri 112s

    i play solo bass in what i call pseudo surround sound...

    the "rock" gigs i play i always end up being talked down to two tri 112s....

    for one reason or another...

    i bridge them both as a 4 ohm load off of one of the stewarts...

    and then get drownd out by drummers...

    if i use all 4 cabs off of one stewart, it can usually hold its own...

    but on this bands new CD I used a lot of low F# string notes

    so i want to start using a sub...

    in smaller setting the tri 112s ROCK my low F# but that is not when i am competing with a rock drummer...

    i don't feel the stewarts can power the Billy dickens rigs...

    the BD sub is 1400 watts

    the stewarts power my tri 112s PERFECTLY at 400 watts per channel @ 8 ohms...

    Brian, i may try calling you tomorrow
     
  10. Whappo Grande

    Whappo Grande

    Feb 9, 2002
    Santa Clara, CA.
    Manager: AccuGroove Speakers
    The happiest I've ever seen Bill Dickens was at a NAMM concert 2 years ago. We had him running through separate Stewart 2.1 amps driving each of his cabinets.

    That's one bridged 2.1 for the BD Sub & one bridged 2.1 for the full range BD 212. In addition, we had the Millennia STT-1 Origin preamp.

    The good news is that you already own the 2 Stewarts & you have the Millennia STT-1 Origin preamps little brother, which is a fantastic pre.

    Mark
    AccuGroove Music Systems
     
  11. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    Mark, what power amp does Mr. Dickens use at home and on the road?

    When he does not have you to supply and set up the gear?

    Is there a single power amp that you would recommend to run both cabs?

    and as far as making absolutely sure that a guy has no trouble competing with ANY drummer...

    is one full Billy Dickens signature rig enough?

    or would a pair be a great insurance policy?

    ALSO...

    since I currently use 4 of your tri 112 cabs

    and the Billy Dickens rig uses 4) 12's total...

    Would I have anything to gain in the volume dept by using the Billy Dickens rig Vs my 4 tri 112s?

    I do know the Billy dickens rig would in fact increase my low frequency quality...
     
  12. Bob Lee (QSC)

    Bob Lee (QSC) In case you missed it, I work for QSC Audio! Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jul 3, 2001
    Costa Mesa, Calif.
    Technical Communications Developer, QSC Audio
    Since you'll be running subs on one amp channel and regular bass cabs on the other, you'll probably need a crossover or at least different EQ on each channel's signal.
     
  13. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    Bob, i went to the qsc site after your post...

    too bad none of your 4 channel amps can push 400 watts @ 8 ohms per channel

    that would seriously clean up the space in my rack for my current set up!

    cool stuff...

    i'll keep browsing the site...
     
  14. Bob Lee (QSC)

    Bob Lee (QSC) In case you missed it, I work for QSC Audio! Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jul 3, 2001
    Costa Mesa, Calif.
    Technical Communications Developer, QSC Audio
    But you can easily get 700 to 1100 watts into 4 ohms in a number of two-channel amps. ;)
     
  15. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    yes Bob, I have been browsing still...

    I have found for my current rig that upping my power slightly might really please me!

    I have been reading about your:

    RMX 2450, your powerlight 2 series PL 224, and your powerlight PL3.8x

    I'm learning a ton today...

    BUT if the stewarts I already own stack up higher in comparison... it will be obviously foolish of me to switch...

    the negative thing about the stewarts is they are VERY deep in a rack...

    and the fans never shut off...

    BUT in their favor they are 400 watts rms per channel @ 8 ohms...

    which if you go and check out the accu groove tri 112 at AG's site...

    your see they match up like a glove!

    I do feel though as I mentioned before that they could stand to be driven a little harder...

    but I do not know much about this stuff...

    I would like to find the best power amp for the Billy dickens 212 and the 212 sub...

    and then access whether or not that would be silly to run my quad mono tri 112 rig as well...

    I really wish those 4 channel qsc applied here... those are too cool!
     
  16. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    as mentioned before i use 4 millennia TD-1 pres... they are considered the Orgin's little brother...

    but i assure you that that claim is incorrect...

    a poor and modest analogy on millennia's part as it is small... but an altogether different animal!

    if it were a little brother... it would be that little brother that could potentially beat its big brother down to the ground screaming uncle!
     
  17. Brian Barrett

    Brian Barrett

    Nov 25, 2001
    Murfreesboro, TN (Nashville)
    Dealer LowEndBassShop.com, Builder LowEndBasses.com
    Check out the Lab Gruppen stuff. I've just started with them and from what I've heard from player's they are just amazing.... I don't think they will take the place of Crest, but a different options for customer's.

    http://www.labgruppen.com/

    Your might check out the 2400 which is a 4 ch.
    http://www.labgruppen.com/fP2400Q


    Thanks
     
  18. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    Brian that four channel is SO close...

    but i need to exceed 400 watts per channel @ 8 ohms...

    i'll browse that site for a few...
     
  19. Whappo Grande

    Whappo Grande

    Feb 9, 2002
    Santa Clara, CA.
    Manager: AccuGroove Speakers
    Bill has a Crest Pro 8200 & a prototype Eventide preamp.
    It depends on how loud you need to be. The Crest Pro 8200 is 4500 watts bridged into 4 ohms. You could run both cabs at 8 Ohms with the AccuSwitch for a 4 Ohm load.
    Yes
    Not needed
    Yes. Bill’s cabs are designed to kick major booty in both volume & low end. The 4 Tri 112 cabs will sound great, but they will not have the same low end.
    You will not need a crossover.

    Mark
    AccuGroove Music Systems
     
  20. Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Gregory Bruce Campbell

    Apr 14, 2002
    Helena, MT U.S.A 59602
    BEE basses, Morley pedals
    With all the great answers...

    and especially after reading Mark's latest post...

    At this time, I am leaning towards keeping what i've got so as not to pay out unnecceasry funds for power, and extra racks etc...

    And then I may be just adding the AG BD 212, and the AG BD 212 SUB...

    When finances permit...