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The Rickenbacker Club Part Twelve

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by smperry, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. Lesfunk

    Lesfunk Supporting Member

    Is that what they actually sell right there? Talk about the tail wagging the dog
  2. Relsom

    Relsom Supporting Member

    Nov 23, 2013
    The Old Dominion
    When I bought one of mine, the guy threw it in; said it was the genuine article from RIC. Other than that..... I don't know.
  3. fourstringdrums

    fourstringdrums Decidedly Indecisive Supporting Member

    Oct 20, 2002
    I bought the 1/4" driver from StewMac. I've read that those fit. Though mine is a 2016 so maybe it has channels.
  4. Gilmourisgod


    Jun 23, 2014
    Cape Cod MA
    Interestingly, the 1" neck pup and standard bridge pup locations fall within a tiny variance from perfect theoretical 24th and 36th fret locations (if you had 36 frets!). This can't have been accidental, though what effect that has on amplified harmonics for anything but open strings is best left to physicists! I found it compellingly suggestive enough that I used the precise 24th and 36th fret locations on both my Ric clone builds. The first one sounds great, we'll see how it goes with number two! In theory, the farther forward move the bridge pup, the "woolier"(@sloppy_phil term, I like it) it gets. I tend not to use the neck pup much, so maybe my ears have atrophied. :D
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  5. Gilmourisgod


    Jun 23, 2014
    Cape Cod MA
    Man, that's weird. I ONLY use fifth fret harmonics to tune bass, seems to ring fine on my Clone build, per the post above, mine is exactly at the 24th theoretical fret location, which sets it at exactly 1" from the heel end of the fingerboard to edge of pup cover. The distance from last fret to fingerboard heel does vary slightly from year to year on Rics though. On that note, this discussion has officially Geeked-Out. We must all be Ric-Nerds.
  6. hypercarrots


    Jan 28, 2009
    los angeles
    nothing wrong with that, i was just trying to discuss tuner dimensions but that went nowhere.
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  7. farace


    Jul 9, 2016
    Connecticut USA
    I bought a cheap used Xcelite on eBay for what, maybe six bucks, and fired up the bench grinder.
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  8. Michael Eisenman

    Michael Eisenman Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2006
    Eugene, Oregon
  9. Michael Eisenman

    Michael Eisenman Supporting Member

    Jun 21, 2006
    Eugene, Oregon
    Well, mine measures 1-1/32" end of neck to pup cover, so that must explain it. ;)
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  10. Coolhandjjl

    Coolhandjjl Supporting Member

    Oct 13, 2010
    And 1/2” may not be accurate. Some say it should be 3/8” ~ 7/16”.

    I am left with the feeling that Ric whittles these instruments from logs as all are a bit different.
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  11. Musicman1901

    Musicman1901 Supporting Member

    Jun 1, 2012
    Rochester, NY
    802BEA5E-5328-4AF6-8C14-39FA95901D40. 2594B5BF-AF45-4346-ADEE-FBFD05AB12E6. BE08A98B-0A8D-4905-8364-96681CD0B853. Just got my first ever Rickenbacker today. Loving it already!
  12. Skillet

    Skillet Supporting Member

    Nov 25, 2011
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  13. sunbeast

    sunbeast Supporting Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Los Angeles, CA
    I can’t speak to the 1/2” spacing, but I can say that my 4004 and 4003 sound VERY different in middle position and they both sport Classic Amplification pickups with similar specs and I’ve wired both nearly identical. The 4004 neck pickup is right up on the neck, so another 1/2” again farther from the standard 4003 position, but I would assume the difference of the 4001 position would be pretty noticeable as well. My 4004 in middle position in Vintage mode has noticeably more mid attack and grind than my 4003. Obviously not scientific, but I’ve tried lots of mods on my 4003 to try to coax a similar tone with no success. The only things I haven’t tried are a Hipshot Type A bridge or moving the neck pickup. I do prefer the soloed tone of the 4003 neck pickup for some things, but any of the blended tones of the 4004L totally slay the 4003!
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  14. BassGen


    Mar 15, 2011
    Ontario, Canada
    The StewMac tool fits. Might be snug but it fits. I’ve used mine on a 2001, 2011 and 2014.
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  15. oldskoolskatedad

    oldskoolskatedad Supporting Member

    May 18, 2014
    Well I would hope the hassle of routing and a new PG, not to mention possible neck stability issues, is well rewarded with the change in tone that moving the relatively underpowered neck pup 1/2" affords.
  16. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    The chosen few of us are attuned to this. :thumbsup:
  17. sloppy_phil


    Aug 21, 2011
    Toronto, ON, Canada
    Not actually named Phil
    I've only played one 4004 once (a Snowglo), in a store, though I don't remember if it was a Cii or L. Neck p'up was right up against the neck, though, so I guess L? Anyways, besides the humbucking pickups being a little dark for my taste, the mid position was quite tasty. The mid character and grind reminded me of my bass. Wonder how it would stack up to a modded 4003, but with those CA pickups @sunbeast was referencing?
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  18. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru.......... Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    All the Snowglo 4004s are Laredos.
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  19. sunbeast

    sunbeast Supporting Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Los Angeles, CA
    I personally decided against ever doing that particular mod on my 4003, though I would have done so if neck stability weren't an issue. Would sooner just pick up another older 4004 as I prefer the wider Fender-ish neck profile and know I get along well with the pickup spacing on those basses (also the neck is super stable on mine)! Obviously tone preferences are completely subjective, but having done tons of pickup/ electronics experimentation over the years I know that 1/2" is not insignificant for a bass pickup (especially with the comb filtering in a dual pickup blend). Consider the difference in tone between 60s and 70s Jazz basses for example (also the difference of only 1/2" pickup spacing)
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  20. sunbeast

    sunbeast Supporting Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Los Angeles, CA
    I am a big fan/pusher of the Classic Amplification Hi-Gains, but the 4004 humbuckers also sound pretty darn good in single-coil mode. I actually think I like them better than the modern Ric Hi-Gains which are a bit overwound and middy for my taste. I unwound the stock pickups from my 4003 to closely match the CA pickups in my 4004 and was pretty happy with the results (though ended up snapping the wire on the neck pickup oops!)- still prefer the Classic Amp pickups all around though on both basses...

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