i dont get hating on Cliff Williams. hes not a bad bassist. he just plays for a band that has guitar out the butt before any bass can be heard. plus, he has a standard bass line, where its the same note that just runs, but he does that through entire songs, through the duration of a concert, etc. IMO, that would get tiring and very boring and many people would lose interest and mess up or just walk away from it after a few songs. Wentz is ok, i dont like him, but hes not bad. he has lines that go with the music to provide body and volume to the song. i dont have anything to say on Michael Anthony.