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Thinking about revamping my rig...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Alex, Jan 6, 2006.

  1. B2R - 410 HLF

  2. B2R - Avatar 212

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  3. B2R - NV 215

  4. TFB550 - 410 HLF

  5. TFB550 - Avatar 212

  6. TFB550 - NV 215

  7. Eden WT550 - 410 HLF

  8. Eden WT550 - Avatar 212

  9. Eden WT550 - NV 215

  1. I currently run an Ampeg B2R through an Ampeg SVT 410 HLF (classic).

    I was thinking of revamping my rig, and either selling one or both of the Ampegs. From what I have heard on here, I have decided to look into the Thunderfunk TFB550 or the Eden WT550 for a head and the Bergie NV215 or Avatar B212 Delta LF for a cab. So what (IYO) would be the best sounding rig?

    PS - I am looking for a full, warm, fat, and sometimes punchy tone. Some versatility would be good. I usually like an old school tone.

    PSPS - My main axe is a TUNE TWB63

    PSPSPS - That is a 6 string, alert me of any range problems (?) that these cabs might have, or if there tone is lacking in any area.

    PSPSPSPS - Power is really not an issue for me. My B2R (350) is plenty loud for what I need it for. However, portability of the cab is. Portability should be a plus.

    I will try to find a store nearby that carries these (except for the Avatar and TF) to try them out at soon, but just in case...I'll need your help.

    Thanks guys!

  2. jokerjkny


    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PHL
    if you want more punch, go w/ the TF... its warm, but not nearly as warm as the Eden, which is warmer and pillowy.

    also, IMHO, the TF is a bit more versatile, especially w/ the timbre knob, which seems to let it blend better with a wider array of cabs. the Eden's not so much so.

    cab wise, if you want both punch and fatness, i'd go w/ the Avatar or anything else w/ 12" speakers.

    btw, here's a nice thread to research.
  3. Describe "pillowy". If you mean creamy like a guitar cab, that wouldn't be good.

    I have heard lots about this timbre knob, care to tell me what it does?
  4. KJung

    KJung Supporting Member

    I agree with Joker that either the TF or WT550 would be great. The Eden is a little warmer and fatter in the low end (I assume due to the tube pre), but you can get each within spittin' distance of one another. The Eden is not pillowy at all in the way you interpreted it IMO.

    The Timbre control is like an overall master tone control.... essentially 'revoicing' the amp to sound more 'bassier' vs. 'treblier'. It's not so much magic in what it does... you can get to the same place with standard tone controls IMO... the wonderful thing is that it does it with one knob turned no more than 10% from center. Very nice. The newer Walter Woods heads have a similar control called 'balance', but it is not quite as extreme.

    If you take the Timbre control off the TF... the front ends of the WT550 and TF550 are virtually identical in operation and design. The TF also has the 'switch' option. It is somewhat subtle, but again provides a subtle revoicing of the preamp to be a little more 'hi fi'... you really notice it with a 'new roundwound string' type bass tone... just adds a little sparkle to the sound.

    Both are great heads IMO.

    PS Warm, fat and 'old school' also very much describes the Mesa Walkabout head to me.
  5. Crockettnj


    Sep 2, 2005
    North NJ
    the timbre knob makes bad things good. It facilitates all that is possible in your sound. yin meets yang, cats love dogs, and hillary votes republican when the timbre knob is tweaked.

    via the timbre knob, viagra is but a distant memory for even the most flacid of old gents. breasts are perkier, your portfolio is in the black, and you feet will never stink.

    When things get dicey, bush calls in Condy rice, and condy rice brings her timbre knob.

    Did I fire 5 shots or 6? in all the excitement, i forgot too. but it doesnt matter, cause i have a timbre knob.

    ahhhhhh, via timbre.

    so let it be said, so let it be done.
  6. I figured that I would get the win/win response. I heard the TF sample on bass tasters, and didn't really like the tone. It was....empty. I am also interested as to how they match up with my B2R.

    I haven't looked into the Mesa, is it in a similar price range (sub $650 used)?
  7. BillyB_from_LZ

    BillyB_from_LZ Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2000
    Interesting that you deem the 410HLF to be less portable than you want, but you're looking at large cabinets :eyebrow:

    How about a pair of Avatar 1x12s?

    Not knowing your budget, a Schroeder 1212 would be portable...

    Personally, I love the tone of the B2R, but sold my SVT350H (same circuitry, different package) due to power issues. If the B2R has enough power for your application, different cabinets might be the ticket (as long as they're at least as efficient as the 410HLF).

    I believe that the NV215 has been discontinued...
  8. KJung

    KJung Supporting Member

    Should be even less than that.

    The TF is a very quick, very punchy head, and definitely isn't as warm as the Eden. The Mesa is even 'warmer'... it sounds more toward an all tube amp sound. It puts out less wattage (300 watts into 4ohms), but it's a loud 300 watts. The tone controls are a little touchy... there is a lot of sound in the passive mid control. However, it's really 'old school' to me, and the 'tubiest' hybrid head I've heard or played through... I actually sold mine because it was too 'tubey' sounding for the rather modern, hi fi tone I go for (for better or worse!).
  9. My problem with the 410 HLF is that it is HEAVY. 110 pounds to be exact. The Bergie weighs 90 and the Avatar weighs 75.

    The NV212 is discontinued, yes, but there are still some out there.
  10. I will look in to that, then. Thanks.
  11. KJung

    KJung Supporting Member

    Good luck with your search!
  12. I was just thinking : I don't know if the hassle of selling my B2R wouldn't be worth swapping heads, when it seems that my cab is really the problem(?). I think that the Nv215 or Avatar 212 would fill out my B2R , eh? (and be lighter) I mean, I am ALMOST there with my tone. A full revamping doesn't seem very necessary now...

    Still thinking about a head, though.
  13. vision

    vision It's all about the groove!

    Feb 25, 2005
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Endorsing Artist: MTD Basses, La Bella Strings, and 64 Audio IEMs
  14. Definitely should be posted in every (and there are a lot) thread about TF's. REQUIRED READING FOR POSSIBLE BUYERS! lol :D
  15. Crockettnj


    Sep 2, 2005
    North NJ
    On a slightly more helpful note, i find a contradiciton lately when it comes to the TF and tone.

    The bass tasters sound byte seems to make it sound a certain way that has been described in seveal postss lately as "thin".

    I dont have a TF, but i have the AMP420, the predecessor, its not even in great condition. I HAVE to assume the TF will sound better. I would absolutely NOT describe it as thin at all. Punchy, tight, accurate all come to mind, whether i am using them correctly or not. Agreed that it's not tubey.

    I honestly think somthing could be misleading with this bass tasters TF tone clip.
  16. Am I the only one who finds the Bass Tasters to be the least helpful site ever? Using Bass Tasters to get a sense of a piece of equipment is increbly misleading. If I wanted to know how a piece of gear sounds on an abitrarily chosen setting that's the place to find out. They don't seem to know how to operate the equipment they are testing, ie dialing in a workable or at least characteristic sound. Add that to mediocre recording, and I feel you have a disservice to the bass playing community. Anyways, I would recommend trying out the Mesa Walkabout head or the combo if you can afford it. I've got the the 12" combo and it has a nice old school tone, well voiced eq, plenty of power, and is quite managable to transport. It's the only combo I've played that can handle my Modulus's B string well and it even has a good DI out in case I need to use it on bigger gigs with PA support. The Thunder Funk head is great too, if you're going for a cleaner more modern tone. And it is NOT thin sounding!
  17. jokerjkny


    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PHL
    yes, the timbre does all this. ;)


    jealous that i didnt write this...
  18. jokerjkny


    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PHL
    i gotta be honest, and say, that i think the TF clip is accurate on the basstasters site. why? cause i can nail that tone w/ my sadowsky! ;)

    but, that's the thing about the TF. the timbre knob seems to give it a world of colors, unlike some other heads, preamps, heads i've tried, where you play the game of "find the sweetspot".

    thus, the TF is the lone anomaly on the site, where having only a "non EQ" and their preferred "EQ'ed" sound arent gonna be enough.

    again, todd and jeff didnt start out to make the end all be all site for everyone. its merely a point of reference.

    but like my ol' dearly departed buddy rickbass used to say, " With all due respect and at the risk of sounding like a pure jerk, I think judging any gear over the internet is pure suckatation......and I have an Altec Lansing tri-sound set up on my PC and it is far away from reality."

    so try before you buy, i.e. make sure the store has a return policy... ;)
  19. Are all of the cabs I listed capable of the old school tone I'm looking for? Is one suited best for the sound that I want?
  20. A pair of 15's do the old school tone nicely, maybe with the Ampeg you've already got? Keeping the head might just work out.
    Only one way to find out - time to go piss off a music store clerk :D But saying that - the TF would be cool
    My rig is pretty much that (ampeg svpcl + pair of 15") - :bassist: LOVE it :bassist: - and i'll never turn back. I'm a big speaker kinda guy for now.