Thinking Seriously about the Ric

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Wolfenstein666, Dec 26, 2014.

  1. Wolfenstein666

    Wolfenstein666

    Dec 19, 2014
    I've been considering buying a new Rickenbacker 4003 for a number of years now, and for the first time I'm very seriously considering buying one. Does anyone have any tips or playing experiences with one? How highly would you recommend one? I play finger style bass in a thrash metal band, and I've heard nothing but good things about the tone and playability. Just wondering if anyone has any helpful advice as to where I should purchase one or any experience (good or bad) with the instrument. Thanks!
     
  2. Gorn

    Gorn Supporting Member

    Dec 15, 2011
    Queens, NY
    Have you played one? I wanted one for the longest time till I borrowed a friends rick for a week. Now I have no desire to ever own one.
     
  3. Dave W

    Dave W

    Mar 1, 2007
    Westchester, NY
    Absolutely try before you buy. They are very much a love/hate type of instrument. Some players can't get over how different the feel is vs. a Fender style instrument like a P or a J that they're used to playing.

    I had one for a while and I liked it well enough, but I ultimately let it go because it wasn't getting played as much as my other basses.

    If you do decide to buy I'd recommend going through Pick of the Ricks or Wildwood. They are both well known for being excellent dealers with the lowest prices on Ricks (like WELL under the advertised prices of MF, GC, etc.). I bought mine from POTR and the whole experience was fantastic.
     
  4. Wolfenstein666

    Wolfenstein666

    Dec 19, 2014
    I played one at a guitar center for a couple of hours. It had the bridge cover on it, and it was a pain to play. But that would be priority A-1, taking that hunk of metal off. Other than that it played fantastic, the neck was absolutely incredible. I'm not a huge fan of fender basses to begin with, right now I'm playing an Ibanez Prestige SoundGear that I really like.
     
  5. Qlanq

    Qlanq

    Jul 9, 2007
    Swansea
    I love everything about the bass apart from the un contoured body. Just too sharp and uncomfortable. That's just me, you might love it for the same reason I don't.
     
  6. Wolfenstein666

    Wolfenstein666

    Dec 19, 2014
    A little side story- the one I played at guitar center was used, according to the guy there the man who sold it only played it for a few hours. He got rid of it because he couldn't figure out how to take the pick up cover off.....anyone who can't figure that out shouldn't deserve such a fine instrument.
     
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  7. Dave W

    Dave W

    Mar 1, 2007
    Westchester, NY
    There seems to be a lot of variation in them. If you loved the way that particular one played, go get it. You can order a brand new one and find out that the neck the carved slightly different and is not nearly as comfy as that one you remember.
     
  8. Gorn

    Gorn Supporting Member

    Dec 15, 2011
    Queens, NY
    The friend of mine who owns one got a crazy discount off the floor model because of minor cosmetic flaws. Like three or four hundred off the price. You should check those out if there's a Sam Ash near you.
     
  9. lfmn16

    lfmn16 Inactive

    Sep 21, 2011
    charles town, wv
    +1

    I had a Ric in the '70's and loved it but stupidly sold it in th '80's. When I bought a 2013 4003 I hated it and wound up selling it. I have a 1981 now that I really love, along with a couple of others. In general I have found that I prefer the older neck profiles. As Dave said, if you find one you like, buy it.
     
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  10. DiabolusInMusic

    DiabolusInMusic Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism

    I would also say try before you buy. Odds are you will not lose money if you sell it, but there is a pretty good chance you will hate it. The playing ergonomics suck, it neck dives, two truss rods and a bass-ackwards bridge design combined with the fact you can only use one pickup if you do not run two rigs makes for a lot to hate. That being said, there is a good reason many love them, nothing sounds like a Rick.
     
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  11. Jaco Taco

    Jaco Taco

    Jul 30, 2012
    Rics are my favorite basses and I've been playing them since the 80's. They feel like home to me. But yeah, definitely take the bridge pup cover off, that thing is pointless. People on here always seem to recommend getting a Ric from wildwood guitars, they are known for having good prices.
    http://www.wildwoodguitars.com/electrics/rickenbacker.htm
     
  12. Wolfenstein666

    Wolfenstein666

    Dec 19, 2014
    I've heard similar things, and I'm certainly taking all of those into consideration. That being said, there has to be a good reason why so many influential players have used them. They have to offer something that no other bass can quite pair up to. Thoughts?
     
  13. Shovel

    Shovel

    Jun 4, 2013
    Massachusetts.
    If you like it (which you obviously do), get it.

    Simple as that.
     
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  14. Be careful...you said you tried a used one. This could have a big impact on the neck profile and playability.

    I've always loved the look and sound of Rics. So back in the spring, I bought a brand new 4003W. After two weeks I returned it, due to horrible ergonomics, terrible QC, and worst of all, a neck that did NOT work for me - big, fat, wide. I figured, like many others that have posted above, that this was it for me with Rics. Then, earlier this month, after doing some research on how older Rics often have skinnier necks, I took the plunge and bought a 1980 4001. You know what? It is like the two aren't even the same kind of bass. The 4001 has this incredible thin, fast, comfortable neck. Somehow, the body ergonomics don't bother me anymore. And, the quality is impeccable. I can hardly put the bass down since buying it.

    I have since read that while most 4001s have thin necks, 4003s are highly variable. If this might be an issue for you, I'd recommend talking to some of those guys in the Ric thread, there are some guys with ridiculous amounts of knowledge and experience over there.

    Would I ever recommend or buy a brand new/modern 4003 again? Nope. But a 4001? In a heartbeat.
     
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  15. Wolfenstein666

    Wolfenstein666

    Dec 19, 2014
    The used one that I played was a 4003, and I believe it was back in 2012 that I played it. The guy had bought it that year and sold it like 2 months after he bought it.

    Its disconcerting that there seems to be that much variance in the neck width/thickness. For someone as high stature as Rickenbacker that seems to leave a lot to be desired.
     
  16. Dave W

    Dave W

    Mar 1, 2007
    Westchester, NY
    You can run both using the Standard output and a single cable into a single rig.
     
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  17. Pudge Fish

    Pudge Fish

    Aug 6, 2013
    MD
    I picked up a 97 by accident a few years ago. It looked heavily gigged but played like a champ. I got it for a great price (considering a good used Ric may not be priced far below MSRP for some reason) and since it's acquisition, it's been on the "Do not sell" side of my hangers. I love mine and it has outlasted some seriously great competition! There are so many things that only a Rickenbacker does... depending on preference, some will be good while others irritate. I dont like that I dont trust myself to attempt a setup on it, but other than that, I love my Ric.
     
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  18. jj4001

    jj4001

    Dec 27, 2010
    Providence, RI
    A Rick with rounds and played finger style sounds so cool for the music your playing. If you're not a Fender player, it should be a breeze to get used to the feel. Ricks can be tough to play if you're switching back and forth between basses. But if you spend time with one, you'll adjust to it and realize how great they do play once you've made the adjustment (For example, using your thumb, instead of your forearm to anchor your plucking hand, because of the sharp binding.) I pretty much learned bass on a Rick so they seemed natural to me. Lately, I been gigging a P so I've learned that Ricks sure can be a pain in the ass if your muscle-memory is locked into Fender mode. ;)

    Doesn't sound like that would be an issue to you. Plus, the sound it makes is so cool for punk, metal and most heavy rock stuff, you'll love playing it so much that ergonomics will be the LAST thing on your mind. :bassist:

    This is very true. Def play before you buy. There is a lot of variation so it would be good to play a few and decide which one is the best for you.

    Yeah, the whole "you can only use one pickup at a time" thing is absolutely untrue. Spoken like a person who hasn't spent enough time with a Rick to be any authority on the subject.

    As far as the truss rods and bridges go, a healthy 4001 or 4003 is a fine, high quality instrument. One in good condition is durable and reliable, and worthy of being a work-horse bass. Take it to a pro tech who is experienced with Rickenbackers and you wont have to worry about truss rods and bridges. They do their job (tho I concede the bridge IS a pain in the @ss while doing it). It's true, a Ricky isn't something to be tinkered with in the garage. If you're not a pro at setups, take it to one.

    Cheers!
     
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  19. jj4001

    jj4001

    Dec 27, 2010
    Providence, RI
    Right on. :bassist:
     
  20. Wolfenstein666

    Wolfenstein666

    Dec 19, 2014
    I already play semirounds, and I thought myself to anchor with my thumb, in addition to the floating thumb to mute the string above what I'm playing. I think technically speaking it won't be hard for me to adapt to the bass itself, plus the tone is Godlike. I'm eventually going to pull the trigger on one, its just a matter of time. This thread is making me feel like it'll be sooner rather than later.