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This goes back to people's freedom of speech infringing other people's freedom

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by scorpionldr, Jun 6, 2012.


  1. ^ Apparently you have not had the glorious privilege of attending a graduation and having some idiot whooping and hollering it up like it was a touchdown from your local professional football team. It gets real fun when they bring out the cowbells and whistles. It makes a mockery of the entire ceremony, and draws unnecessary attention to themselves and the student.

    A graduation ceremony is a solemn occasion. For all students involved. Her kid passed high school. BFD. It's high school. You show up, do some moderate amount of work, don't get in too much trouble, and YOU PASS. Simple as that. Is her kid'
    s achievement worth any more than the next kid's? Nope.

    If some parent has money, what is to stop them from hiring a drum and bugle corps to play a fanfare when their darling child graduates?
     
  2. Relic

    Relic Cow are you?

    Sep 12, 2006
    Robbinsville, NJ
    This is one of those tough ones where it's hard for me to take a side. On one hand, here's a mom that absolutely thrilled that her daughter's graduating, I'm sure that she could barely contain her happiness when her daughter accepted her diploma. What harm is there in cheering her on..?
    Yet, on the other hand, stupid rules like "no cheering allowed during the graduation ceremony" probably stemmed from a particular incident or incidents where too many people were disrupting the ceremony, ruining it for all maybe? I'd bet it's something like that.
    Look carefully enough at almost any seemingly stupid rule and you'll see that there's more to it than immediately meets the eye.
    So...yeah, leading her away in cuffs is ludicrous but on the other hand, she was warned and knew in advance what the rules were so.. meh
     
  3. "Police told the station they had warned attendees prior to the graduation ceremony that anyone who cheered or screamed would be escorted from the venue. While not commenting on Cooper's case directly, they said those who were disorderly as they were escorted out were arrested."

    Sounds like:

    1) Told not to cheer.
    2) Cheers
    3) Asked to leave
    4) Disorderly while being escorted out by police.
    5) Arrested for said disorderly conduct toward police.
     
  4. gnjpowell

    gnjpowell Inactive

    Nov 12, 2010
    Concord, NH
    Bass & guitar tech, FOH sound, backline rentals
    If I read that right the rules were she would be "escorted out" and not arrested...
     
  5. your talking to a guy who did marching band through four years of high school and never missed a football game. Plus, you think an idiot with a cowbell is bad? How about an air horn? How about 10 going off at once?

    It's not that bad, man.

    besides, she cheered, cop points at her, says "you're done", and she is taken to jail. summarized directly from article.
     
  6. nortonrider

    nortonrider

    Nov 20, 2007
    Have you seen video of her "cheering"?
    I haven't, but when it finally gets posted on youtube, I will not be surprised to see that she was out of line.
     
  7. oh come on now. we should all holler sometime. Its healthy :D
     
  8. I don't know how big a deal this is...they said to scale back the cheering, mom goes nuts, mom gets the boot. Mom says "Everybody else was doing the same thing I was doing," which is what everyone says whenever they get in trouble for something. Whenever cops are on site to manage some sort of event, and one of the paramaters are "If you do X you will get escorted out of the premises," usually they get booked by the cops and get some sort of slap on the wrist.

    So unless there is some sort of video of the graduation where other parents are doing the same and this mom celebrates when her daughter's name is called and gets singled out, I don't see much of an issue here
     
  9. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Supporting Member

    I go to numerous graduation ceremonies. ONLY 1-2 seconds of noise when your graduate crosses the stage is now commonly accepted.

    More than that is rude, crass, and you're making yourself a pain in the ass to the thousands of people in the building. You're also making it impossible for people to hear the name of the next graduate - and they are every bit as entitled to notice as your precious little darling was.

    If they make noise, throw 'em out of the building.

    THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH ISSUE HERE. THERE IS ONLY AN ISSUE OF BEING WARNED AND THEN BEING SUBJECT TO THE CONSEQUENCES.

    Yes, I'm yelling on purpose!
     
  10. gimme a break, the cops used to simply be around to avoid having anyone from getting shot!

    Would it have honestly hurt the world to have someone celebrate a moment? Would there have been some collossal consequence to not finishing the ceremony exactly on time? What are you worried about, missing the next installment of "America's got talent"? :p

    I doubt in any other country there would even be controversy about this.
     
  11. MartinG1957

    MartinG1957 You can never have too many bones....

    Aug 5, 2011
    Dublin, Ireland
    Police? At a High School graduation? Really?
    I'd be more concerned at the fact that it seems to be accepted that police officers had to be at a school graduation in the first place!
    Sounds like an excessive reaction but not knowing the circumstances exactly maybe not- squealing, screaming and hooting does my head in and if people were warned it was an instant expulsion then fair enough.
     
  12. sandmangeck

    sandmangeck

    Jul 2, 2007
    Colorado
    No cheering at our hs graduation either. 900 graduates. Not enough time. Not a big deal. It was highschool. Not college or even community college.
    Good on them.
    Hopefully her kid doesn't have her listening skills.
     
  13. Relic

    Relic Cow are you?

    Sep 12, 2006
    Robbinsville, NJ
    have you ever actually lived in another country? I have. You'd reeeeally be surprised at how much we let slide here. We've got it made :)

    Like I said earlier, this mom was happy and wanted to show that by cheering. No biggie to me. It's just that when you have a couple hundred people crammed into an auditorium, and you allow stuff like this, it can impact other people's enjoyment of the event right? I'm not saying whether it should or shouldn't but just that it does. It's human nature. Now - what happens when people start getting irked because of stuff like this..? On person shouts "sit down and shut up!!!", then the other shouts back "don't you talk to me like that, who do you think you are!???" and....well, you see where it goes from there....
    The best solution? issue a warning that cheering and rowdiness wall not be tolerated. Is it a stupid rule..? Possibly. is it effective? Probably.
     
  14. I don't know...but this school apparently made it a huge deal to announce to everyone ahead of time not to get disorderly or they would be kicked out.

    I doubt in any other country there would even be controversy over this, because we 'Muricans have learned the art of wanting rules for everyone else, none for ourselves, and avoiding all accountability when we break them :p
     
  15. We had cops on campus permanently at my HS. A little bit of extra reinforcements for the graduation ceremony
     
  16. i think people think we're much more civilized than we really are.

    I've never really seen anything that bad come of someone cheering unless it was leading up to a beating.

    She could have just as easily played the race card against people because she was one person out of a crowd.

    People are loud. Naturally. For better or worse.
     
  17. Relic

    Relic Cow are you?

    Sep 12, 2006
    Robbinsville, NJ
    Yeah that's how it is at my son's school. The cops there though probably have the most boring job ever...
    He's graduating in a week and a half and they're already issuing the same sort of warnings about the grad ceremony though.

    Possibly. I've found that in most cases the "American hate" that you sometimes see abroad, is more due to foreigners thinking that WE think we're more civilized than we are...
     
  18. What are you sayin Relic, you're old enough to be my dad? :)
     
  19. It's a community standards issue. It's not whether or not you think it's okay to cheer at a graduation ceremony. The community in this situation decided it was inappropriate, and everyone was asked to contain themselves at risk of being escorted from the venue. My understanding is the woman didn't meet the community standard, cheered loudly, and was escorted out per the fair warning given.

    I've been to graduations where people make a huge obnoxious distracting ruckus. My personal opinion on the matter is of no consequence. This particular school and the participants at large didn't want to deal with it. They have that right.
     

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