Thomann Music (damaged bass) USA

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by carbonfold, Jun 6, 2019.

  1. carbonfold

    carbonfold Supporting Member

    Oct 13, 2006
    Dallas, Texas
    After reading glowing reviews of the Harley Benton JB75, I finally decided to pull the trigger on one. Only took about a week to arrive at my location in Texas but the packaging took a pretty big drop. Head stock punched all the way through the inner box and outer box and the whole end collapsed like an accordion. The end of the head stock has a small chunk missing and the neck has a slight warp to it.

    I contacted Thomann and got a shipping damage claim going and all that jazz. Well... talk about the run around. They agreed it was shipping damages but made me go to a US Post office to "attempt" the USPS to admit damage fault by signing a document. At no surprise, I was looked at like I was crazy and told that they do not handle damaged claims nor from international shipments or willing to sign anything. Which, everything I told Thomann would probably happen.

    When talking to Thomann in via chat, they were slightly arrogant with my questions of the document's meanings and why they were trying to get the USPS to sign anything (comments like, "it's explained in the email" ... which in all honestly it is vague in the email). Even one of the forms tries to get the customer sign a document stating that they will not go after Thomann for the claim?? Very odd.

    Anyways, not trying to completely bash Thomann but I've never experienced something like this from a well known music distributor. Has anyone received an damaged bass from Thomann before (in the USA). If so, how did that go? Suggestions?
     

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  2. You want a return for full refund or replacement. Shipping damage claims will be between Thomann and USPS so not your business to deal with.

    Contact them again saying you want a return shipping label. Give them photos of the box,do that by email so you have a copy.
     
  3. Spupilup

    Spupilup

    Jan 11, 2019
    New England
    I would think this wouldn’t even be an issue for the USPS. They are not the carrier Thomann contracted with. It’s between them and the original carrier. That carrier will deal with the USPS, not you. There are international agreements between postal services around the world for events just like this. Thomann needs to step up, issue a return shipping label, refund your money and prosecute their claim. Again, it is not up to you to do that.
     
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  4. rockdoc11

    rockdoc11

    Sep 2, 2000
    Plus if you paid with a credit card you can challenge the charge, and those credit card companies will (almost) always be on your side.
     
  5. Spupilup

    Spupilup

    Jan 11, 2019
    New England
    Even PayPal will be on your side in a black and white case like this. I am surprised Thomann is dragging their feet.
     
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  6. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    This is why I don’t ship internationally when I sell stuff. Bundespost blames USPS and vice versa. Meanwhile seller and buyer are left in limbo and ultimately, the buyer wins any claims.
     
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  7. Spupilup

    Spupilup

    Jan 11, 2019
    New England
    Shouldn’t the buyer win in this type of instance? The buyer did nothing wrong.

    Around 15% of my business is international and while I have very few claims regarding shipping damage, I can’t recall the last time I shipped something overseas and it arrived damaged.
     
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  8. Bass Man Dan

    Bass Man Dan Endorsing Artist: Ned Flanders' Bass-a-Reeno

    Oct 20, 2017
    Cincinnati
    Yes, I had the exact same scenario not long ago, went just like yours is going, just do the dance, they will take care of you. The form you reference is them getting you to state you won't pursue a claim against the shipper. That lets Thomann go after the shipper. In the meantime, they will take care of you. Just get them all of the paperwork they want. It's a pain, but it will get resolved.
     
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  9. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    Sure, I was just starting that they would. Basically my point was that there are too many variables with international shipments and a ready market in the US to bother shipping internationally. Smaller items like pedals or pickups could be ok to ship internationally with less risk. But an expensive instrument? I’d prefer to keep that stateside.
     
  10. carbonfold

    carbonfold Supporting Member

    Oct 13, 2006
    Dallas, Texas
    I paid with my bank debt CC... anyways, My experience with claims is always between the shipper and carrier. I told them I’m good with waiting for a replacement but it’s a bit jacked up with the hoops they are making me jump through.

    This attached form is scary as the buyer. From how I read this, as the buyer you are giving up your rights... just smells fishy.

    Maybe Thomann doesn’t mean ill will but it is very substandard and pointless.
     

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  11. carbonfold

    carbonfold Supporting Member

    Oct 13, 2006
    Dallas, Texas
    The bass only costed me around $170 usd shipped. Pretty low risk but still annoying.


     
  12. StringslamDan

    StringslamDan

    Nov 18, 2012
    I've got a HB JB-75 and after a pickup swap it's became my #1, oddly enough because it's the cheapest bass I own lol I hope they get it resolved for you because I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised once you get your replacement. Good luck!
     
  13. carbonfold

    carbonfold Supporting Member

    Oct 13, 2006
    Dallas, Texas
    Oh yeah. Beyond this shipping damage issue and a bit of neck dive, I really like how the neck size and shape fits my hand. Like a P mets a Jazz neck. A touch on the heavy side but for what I paid it’s a stupid good deal.

    All this is why I’m willing to wait for a replacement. Really sucks about this part of it.

     
  14. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    I’m just talking about from a seller’s viewpoint.
     
  15. StringslamDan

    StringslamDan

    Nov 18, 2012
    Here was by box when it arrived! Looks like it fell off the back of the delivery truck and got run over a few times by the time it got to my house lol I'm pretty fortunate it was completely undamaged..
     

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  16. carbonfold

    carbonfold Supporting Member

    Oct 13, 2006
    Dallas, Texas
    But whatcha think about the attached form above? Would signing this take Thomann off the hook regarding responsibility? I mean, technically?
     
  17. If the neck adjusts properly I’d be tempted to keep it realizing that you’re not going to get perfection for $170.
     
  18. StringslamDan

    StringslamDan

    Nov 18, 2012
    That's kind of what it seems like, but I'm honestly not sure. I would try to contact thomann for a better explanation on what the forms purpose is. I wouldn't sign anything until then if it was me.
    Also if your able to get the bass playable to your liking, maybe Thomann would consider doing a partial refund for the damages instead?
     
  19. Bass Man Dan

    Bass Man Dan Endorsing Artist: Ned Flanders' Bass-a-Reeno

    Oct 20, 2017
    Cincinnati
    What they are using that form for is taking the responsibility of claiming the damage with the shipper away from you so they can deal with them as the sole claimant. Let me re-state it...do the dance...it will be ok, I promise.
     
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  20. Greg Waldon

    Greg Waldon

    Aug 22, 2017
    Mississippi
    None
    Looks about like the box I got from GC. Was by far the worst packing job I had ever seen. Just a little wadded up paper around the bass. Headstock punched through the end of the box and boogered up the end of the headstock. Bass had some electronic problems but I was gonna send it back anyway. Make them Stand behind that pathetic packing job and usps pathetic handling of your delivery.