I've read this from a couple people (can't find the threads anymore) about mixing the jf344 TI jazz flat set with the A string of the super long. The A string .70 of the standard long scale set is so weak and anemic and has the lowest tension of the whole set 31 lbs. The .72 of the super long scale is 35 lbs which is on par with the 37, 37, 34 lbs of the long scale set. has anyone ever tried this? how does it sound? Does the A make that much a difference?
so what you are saying is the tension is higher due to the longer scale length, and all things being equal scale wise they would be equal tension. still the .02 extra thickness might add a little girth. great point though jason, i would love to hear others.
In my experience TI does a better job than almost any other company as far as trying to provide the most balanced set possible. I would doubt there is much that could be done with subbing strings that would improve upon it.
i've been thinking about this more and more. the super long set has .44 .57 .72 .96 and the long scale set has .43 .56 .70 .100. I would keep the Long scale .43 and .100 and grab the .57 and .72 to get a little more heft in the D and A strings. I realize per Jason that the tension would be the same, but i'm hoping the .02 on the A will give it a little more body, i've always felt that string was so weak compared to the others no matter how low to the pole pieces i try to get it (to get higher output). i emailed TI about a larger guage JF344 set and they responded if they ever re-evaluate their bass strings line they will take that in to account. Maybe we should start a petition?
I've always felt the opposite... the A of the Thomastik is powerful (I've had three sets by far), and just needs the action a bit higher than the others (we are talking about a turn of the screws on the saddle, nothing more). in particular on the high register, that string is loud. probably you got a faulty string? is that possible? did un cut it and compromised the core? it can happen with roundcore strings and even with hex core.
I have sold a bunch of sets where users used the A D G strings from a Super Long and the E-String from a Long Scale set. I haven't really heard from anyone stating a significant difference. I dunno :-/
in the high register? i play bass man, i live in first and second position, i'm not worried about how it sounds past the 12th fret. And those notes don't have the depth and thickness the other 3 strings do. I'm not sure how you setup your basses, but i go by the fender guide and if i lower the TI A string to get more output i get buzz city on every note, no thanks. haha jason this is awesome, others are doing the same thing. The G string doesn't bother me because 43 is pretty thick for that light set, but the A at 70 is tiny. I might have to order this wacky set from you, just gotta sell some stuff beforehand.
which says, if I'm not wrong, to use that measures ad a starting point, and are meant for 45-100/105 gauges. the A string is set usually a bit higher than the others, as I said, and it has depth and thickness. I think that they are the most balanced strings I've ever used. with other strings I've always found the A to be too loud, in particular with flats. PS: I play the bass, but also use a lot the high register. just think about McCartney, he plays a lot up from the 8th fret. and the note on the high register of the A string are the same notes on the low register of the G string
ah Pier i am mostly a Jazz and R&B guy, no beatles here the only time i go up high is for a solo, the rest of the time it's groove duty yes they are wonderful strings, beautiful tone and very unique, i have to hand it to them, nothing else feels or sounds like them. i have bought and sold so many sets probably 20 since i got my fender jazz, i love them, i hate them, i love them, i hate them. i just had and sold a set and here i am trying to get more. Pier I tune down a half step on all strings so i can get my low Eb without having to get a 5 string, so understand that as well.
I've used my TI flats in drop D this is a sample playing a groove with them, standard tuning: the A seem to be as thick ad loud as the other strings... they are the most balanced strings I've ever used. PS: I usually play in a tribute band of the Blues Brothers and in a tribute to italian pop music (the money-makers band here). it's rare to go up the fretboard, just useful for some licks and fill.
Pier all your persuading has me jonesing again for these things. i must get used to the lower tension and just keep them for a couple of months and suck it up. Also i will get the .72 A string and do a compare contrast. i'm hoping that .02 gives me just enough girth to make it work.
placed the order with BSO today, in the meantime i've taken off my pryamids and put on labella 760fl to get used to the lower tension.
Do you had any issue with the Labella? I've red a topic about a string buzz impossible to avoid on the G string... I was interested in this set, but that topic stopped me...
if you know how to setup a bass correctly you don't get string buzz anywhere, just like TI. they are fine, i've used them in the past, but once they go dead they don't have much hi-mids or treble, so i'm not in love with the way they sit in the mix. they have a little low mid/bass punch to them (the FL set) and are very flexible for a hex core. For me if i'm doing that low of tension i might as well go TI and get that great midrange.
the issue described in the topic was not a matter of setup, because with any other string it wasn't there, only with the G of the FL set... really strange. it was not a fret buzz, but a strange buzz from the string itself or something else, on four different Gs (labella sent him the replacement strings to try). TI's mids are impossible to emulate! wonderful.
Pier It could have been the spring rattling on the screw if the saddle was all the way outc I've had that happen before. But I've owned 10-15 sets of FL and never had the problem that person has, which leads me to believe the problem is them not the strings.
Here's the math: the 35 pounds at 36 inch scale for the X-long A string works out to 34^2/36^2, or .892 X 35 = 31.2 pounds of tension of the X-long .072 A string on a standard 34 inch scale bass. You're not gaining anything. I thought about this several years ago, until I did the math. Never mind.
I had this same thing happen with Labella's. They sent me 2 new G's and they do it too. Has nothing to do with string height, relief or fret work. I'll have to look for that thread, these stings have been sitting around for a year and are doing me no good. I have some long scale Thomastiks and the A string tension is what kills them for me. It sounds fine when I tickle the strings but under my heavy right hand that A is a noodle.