Tip from a Pro, Change your Oil, And Rotate your 18's!

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by flameworker, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. flameworker

    flameworker

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    I was communicating with a speaker guy, a "reconer " specializing in things like Cerwin Vega 18's , JBL 140's and PAS 18's, things like that.

    He told me many 15-18 + inch speakers, especially ones with a 4" voice coil, will wear out because gravity causes coil rub as the foam weakens.

    The bummer is those kinds of speakers sound best well broken in (IMO), So he says every year or so you should rotate your speaker 180, and then 90 as years go on. It's supposed to really extend the life.

    He also said to be sure to check the gaskets are clean and new, or use silicone to make sure everything is airtight (the gasket between the speaker and the cabinet)
     
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  2. SunnBass

    SunnBass All these blankets saved my life.

    Aug 31, 2010
    Columbia, Mo
    Sounds reasonable, I guess.
     
  3. flameworker

    flameworker

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    Anyone who wants to disagree or elaborate is of course welcome to, I'm just passing along unconfirmed, Say-So information.

    Also you can fix some speakers without total reconing sometimes by just flipping them and whacking it on the magnet with a stick. IF the resistance says its still a good speaker, alternatively, you can cut open the dust cap, and fiddle around in there with the shims, But I dont think thats a good idea.
     
  4. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    Since almost no speaker used for electric bass uses a foam surround, this almost old wive's tale has no validity for bass players (it used to have maybe a little truth back in the old days of HiFi speakers but even then it really didn't have much) and whacking the magnet with a stick is not a good idea regardless of where this myth came from. With some magnetic materials, such as ALNICO, the shock of being hit like that can reduce the magnetism depending on how hard it's hit and what flavor of ALNICO alloy is being used.
     
  5. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Yamaha, Ampeg, Line 6, EMG
    Ya, I don't care what anyone says...I ain't hittin' mine with a stick. The rotation thing almost sounded plausible till I read Andy's reply...I think I'll save myself the trouble of unscrewing everything. Besides, some cabs don't give you enough wire to do it anyway, so I won't sweat it.
     
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  6. flameworker

    flameworker

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    Not the surround, the insides, the voice coil. I'm not talking about rotting foam antique speakers, just a few mm makes a difference, and even without the aging surrounds, apparently gravity makes the shims sag a bit (those things are heavy)

    I think he just meant a light tapping, say with a drumstick, or rawhide mallet handle, just something to set up vibration, and clear whatever might be rubbing, just a speck of dust near a shim could be the culprit. NOT whacking the magnet on the pavement or something crazy, although I know from experience it takes a lot to break a speaker magnet, my dad used to break em for me to play with as a kid, needed a ball peen hammer and several hard whacks to knock em up.
     
  7. flameworker

    flameworker

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    I wouldnt go thru the hassle of doing it either, I think thats more for people maintaining large systems. Might even be "Busy work" so they look like they are doing something...I know in theater/stagehand work, a lot of what we do is just looking busy.

    The whacking thing is meant as a last resort when your speaker has a rub, but isn't quite blown YET, if your lucky you can keep from having to do a complete recone.
     
  8. flameworker

    flameworker

    Jun 15, 2014
    Landenberg, Pennsylvania
    one day....
    I just read that more carefully, I see, the vibrations can mess with the magnetism.

    Well, i was just passing along what i was told, if you don't think the rotation would help either, you would know if anyone would. Thanks.
     
  9. agedhorse

    agedhorse Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 12, 2006
    Davis, CA (USA)
    Development Engineer-Mesa Boogie, Development Engineer-Genzler (pedals), Product Support-Genz Benz
    I used to service a movie theatre chain with over 5000 speakers and the industry as a whole does not rotate drivers and many have been in continuous operation for over 20 years.
     
  10. Chriso21

    Chriso21

    Jan 15, 2006
    Fort Worth Texas
    If you're really worried about it, just start playing your cab upside down. Sounds like hokum to me.
     
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  11. Right_Butterscotch64

    Right_Butterscotch64

    Oct 18, 2012
    Seems like one of those things that makes sense in theory but just isn't really applicable or needed.
     
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  12. chris merrill

    chris merrill Supporting Member

    Dec 14, 2012
    Chicago, IL
    Endorsing Artist for: GHS Strings, Lakland Basses
    Hogwash
     
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  13. Arjank

    Arjank

    Oct 9, 2007
    Above Amsterdam
    IME this only used to be a problem with ol'drivers that where especially build for closed cabinets. Those were drivers with an extremely high Cms (loose suspension) relative low Fs / low Mms and large Vas.
    Nowadays you'll not find drivers that will have these issues, especially not the 15" and 18" drivers with double silicon spiders.
     
  14. lomo

    lomo passionate hack Supporting Member

    Apr 15, 2006
    Montreal
    Another "truth" that is propagated as such because someone (not the op) believes it and nothing more.
     
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  15. Zooberwerx

    Zooberwerx Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2002
    Virginia Beach, VA
    ...and I suppose you guys don't believe in cab gnomes, either?

    Riis
     
  16. beans-on-toast

    beans-on-toast

    Aug 7, 2008
    Speakers are built to take a lot of punishment and offer a long service life if used properly. All mechanical systems will change as they age. Components such as paper and foam will deteoriate with time. If gravity were to affect the alignment of any soft speaker component, it would be time for a repair.

    I've never heard of a speaker manufacturer recommending that their products should be rotated. If there is one, it would be interesting to find out more.
     
  17. lomo

    lomo passionate hack Supporting Member

    Apr 15, 2006
    Montreal
    Never mind rotating the cones; save time/effort and simply rotate the whole box. I think I'm going to develop/sell an app that tells the bass player when it's time to rotate his cab 90 degrees....then maybe I'll retire early.
     
  18. beans-on-toast

    beans-on-toast

    Aug 7, 2008
    Someone should invent a speaker bro to support sagging cones.
     
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  19. Arjank

    Arjank

    Oct 9, 2007
    Above Amsterdam
    Me thinks most phones have a calendar, no special app needed (allthough it would be cool just for the sake of it) :D:cool: I think it would be really funny when you're at a gig and suddenly yer phone beebs and tells you it's time to rotate them cones, you then take out the screwdriver from your gigbag and inscrew the driver and rotate it 90 degrees. I'm curious about how the soundguy will look....especially if you show him the app and be really serious about it :smug:
     
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  20. lomo

    lomo passionate hack Supporting Member

    Apr 15, 2006
    Montreal
    You're so naive:D.....of course it cannot be done properly without the app, which allows you to input your gig frequency, amp's power rating, cab's power handling, musical genre and zodiac birth sign, in order to OPTIMALLY calculate the perfect timing of rotation. Without the app, it'd just be guessing. For only 3.99, the app will pay for itself countless times over by ensuring that you get the maximum life from your cones. Calendars are so passe.



     
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