Tired of being politically ignorant

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by Bardolph, Feb 2, 2004.

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  1. Bardolph


    Jul 28, 2002
    Grand Rapids, MI
    Right now there are political debates going on left and right, and lots of these include my friends from school. I've been kind of a bad boy and not been paying attention to the news so I don't know much about the details of what is going on. I'd like to have a firm political position that I can stand by, but my foundations are so weak because I really don't know as much as I should about politics. Is there any way I can really gain an understanding of all this stuff?

    And I'd like to ask that I don't get any political flaming responses like Bush sucks, so and so sucks etc...

  2. the only way is look it up watch the news enless theirs something in paticular you want to know in that case I can help from what I know
  3. canopener


    Sep 15, 2003
    Isle of Lucy
    Don't worry about not having a firm position...

    Basically, all you really need to know about the stuff going on in America (without going into any real detail, you can fill in your own blanks for the sake of not making this a politically slanted post) is that the party in office is taking care of business in more ways that one which the other party does not like. Instead of offering clearcut solutions to problems they create, the other party disagrees and stumbles over itself, and the whole cycle continues...

    I believe this is the other way around in other terms with other parties in office as well, but more ridiculously amplified by the party not-in-office this time around.

    So, anyway, I really wouldn't worry about politics at the national level, the odds aren't bad that your vote doesn't count, anyway. I voted during the last presidential election only to find out that less than a third of votes from precincts were counted from my state (mostly from the Philadelphia area)...

    Worry about local stuff first, that's where the real difference is made.
  4. Marlat


    Sep 17, 2002
    London UK
    Given this is a pollitical thread it will no doubt be closed down (in before lock :) ) - however before you can align yourself with any political party, you need to work out what your own views are on key issues. For example:

    Social Welfare





    You will either be more right wing (conservative moving to the extreme to facism) or left wing (liberal / socialist moving to the extreme to communism). Generally, the right favours more capitalist / police state / fend for yourself ideals (ie everyone is given an equal chance, but not assisted) whereas the left favours more socialist ideals (equal rights and benefits for all). Again, as a general rule, the right is "better" for the rich but neglects the poor, the left is "better" for the poor but can alienate the rich.

    In any event, you can have both right and left views on different issues (ie be conservative on defence and liberal on gay rights etc). But, the most important rule is don't be force fed what you think - think for yourself and believe in what YOU think is right.
  5. canopener


    Sep 15, 2003
    Isle of Lucy
    I would've put police states in on the left (big government party).
  6. embellisher

    embellisher Holy Ghost filled Bass Player Staff Member Supporting Member

    Mark is right, this will be closed as soon as one of the OT mods notices it.

    Head over to the Lounge(supporting members forum) and open a thread there. Political discussion are allowed only in that Forum.
  7. Josh Ryan

    Josh Ryan - that dog won't hunt, Monsignor. Staff Member Supporting Member

    Mar 24, 2001
    IBTL. :D

    the best way to understand politics is to get a job at a company that will be closed in six months. the job must be mid level, have at least ten others in the same position, and have no clear job description. ;)
  8. Marlat


    Sep 17, 2002
    London UK
    ROFL - we have a winner :)
  9. LiquidMidnight


    Dec 25, 2000
    Good post, but I was always under the impression that right-wing/left-wing was relative to the political norms of your country. For example, in America, if you support communism you are considered left-wing but if you support communism in China you are considered right-wing.

    p.s. In before the lock. :D
  10. Justin V

    Justin V

    Dec 27, 2000
    Alameda, CA
    Gettin' in before the lock on this one. I've gotta renew that supporting membership. I'm missin' the ole' poli-debates.

    As a piece of advice for the original poster, I would simply say this:

    Don't be like the majority of the morons that I went to high school with. In Civics last year we had to do debates on current issues, one person on each side. One on one. Class comes in at the end of the presentation (loose rule there). My issue was the war (well, it hadn't exactly started yet, that was the next week). I was the only one other than my teacher in the room who was against it. Now, 1.5 (since my teacher couldn't REALLY get involved) on 30 should be a very lopsided scenario with the majority quickly making swiss cheese out of their opponent's argument (and mine admittedly had quite a few). However, NO ONE in that class could give me solid arguments against me. All I got were verbatim lines from cable news (which I watch quite a bit of, so it sounded really familiar). Now, it would have been a MUCH more constructive debate had ANYONE in that room been truly educated on the issue. Instead, I was in a room with people who had NO IDEA what they were talking about. Thus, they gave me spoon-fed reasons for their points of view. No matter what your political outlook. PLEASE, don't be like that. Educate yourself on issues and THEN make up your mind about your stance on them.

    Sorry bout the rant.
  11. Bruce Lindfield

    Bruce Lindfield Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor Gold Supporting Member

    There is nothing intrinsically left-wing about this - left wing politics would favour workers' co-operatives and sharing of power - unfortunately - no country has really had a strong left-wing government - dictatorships don't count!! - although Sweden is probably about as close as we have got, although they are still basically Capitalist.

    Sweden theoretically espouses most left-wing policies however and is as far away from a police state as you could get!

    There have been quite a few Fascist, right-wing governments and they are the classic definition of a "police state" - Hitler, Mussolini, Franco etc.
  12. odie

    odie Supporting Member

    As well as this discussion is remaining civil I am going to close it before it goes down the crapper.

    Do a search on the views of Left and Right via internet, and watch alot of the news. Local, national and world. But most of all try to vote for the person that is the most similiar to you in views. Which is near impossible considering how much tush kissing they do during campaigns!!

    Good luck!!

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