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To loop or not to loop multi-fx

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by Jxff, Sep 9, 2016.


  1. Jxff

    Jxff

    Sep 6, 2016
    Mission Viejo, CA
    Hey all,

    Introduced myself last week and since then I realized that the amp rig I ordered last week has an effects loop. I haven't played bass since the 80's and I never used any effects back then, just tune up, set levels and play. I play guitar and have all sorts of guitar pedals and am well acquainted with parallel and serial fx loops, etc. Coming with my new rig is a Zoom MS-60B multi-fx. Should I put this in front or in the Ampeg SVT Micro VR's effects loop? The MS-60B has two line level outs per the Zoom website and can take active or passive pickups in the input.

    Also where do you put comp, fuzz, distortion?

    I searched and read several posts that conflict each other. I will not be playing out on bass any time soon, but plan on recording in a small home studio in a few months. I play classic rock, rockabilly, surf and some ambient tones. I will be using a Squire Jag VM bass DI and miked.

    Thanks! Jxff
     
  2. Welcome back, I would not use the MS60B in an amp effects loop, might lead to unwanted noise and ugly (digital) distortion. Stacking drive pedals is really a matter of personal preference, try the sequence that works best for you. Also where you put the comp is totally a matter of preference and depending on the result looking for I will place the comp in different positions.
    Sorry for the non answer but I have been playing with effects and the only rule is no rule, effects are about chaos.
     
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  3. Jxff

    Jxff

    Sep 6, 2016
    Mission Viejo, CA
    That makes sense, so likely the reviews I've read on this pedal is from players putting it in front of the amp.
     
  4. Most effects loops aren't designed with pedals in mind. They're mostly for rack gear/line level signals.
     
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  5. Most FX loops are for LINE LEVEL, whereas most stompboxes are INSTRUMENT LEVEL.

    Read up on those.

    Damn, Childishgambino beat me to it.



    Loves me some Squier Jaggage!
     
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  6. nshuman

    nshuman Supporting Member

    Sep 4, 2012
    Montreal, Qc, Canada
    ccp
    Definitely do not put the MS-60B in the effects loop.
     
  7. Jxff

    Jxff

    Sep 6, 2016
    Mission Viejo, CA
    Thanks for suggestions, I have a few line level effects that I will check out.
     
  8. nshuman

    nshuman Supporting Member

    Sep 4, 2012
    Montreal, Qc, Canada
    ccp
    Not a B3 either. Just line level effects, which precludes most pedals out there. Some amps/preamps like the wounded paw one will have some non line level effects loops or at least a method for lowering the level on send and raising it back to line level on return. But, most amps have a line level effects loop that is most;y just suitable for your typical line level rack effect unit.

    The other great use for a line level effects loop, if it does truly bypass the preamp, is to use it to access just the power section of your amp.
     
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  9. Jxff

    Jxff

    Sep 6, 2016
    Mission Viejo, CA
    The H9 seems like a popular choice, it's line level and I already have one.
     
  10. nshuman

    nshuman Supporting Member

    Sep 4, 2012
    Montreal, Qc, Canada
    ccp
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  11. Jxff

    Jxff

    Sep 6, 2016
    Mission Viejo, CA
    any suggestions?
     
  12. Zooberwerx

    Zooberwerx Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 21, 2002
    Virginia Beach, VA
    If the multi-FX control knobs are on top of the box, it goes in front of the amp. On the front, it goes in the FX loop.

    That's about as technical as I get.

    Riis
     
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  13. nshuman

    nshuman Supporting Member

    Sep 4, 2012
    Montreal, Qc, Canada
    ccp
    I suggest putting nothing in the effects loop.
     
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  14. Jxff

    Jxff

    Sep 6, 2016
    Mission Viejo, CA
    It's starting to look that way. The Zoom MS-60B has line level outs per the website and this post at Talk Bass goes over how to manipulate the line (not level) functionality. I bought the MS-60B to avoid spending too much on less then essential gear on my new bass rig. I'll likely keep it and use it as a tuner / pedal in front and I can always use it to record straight into my daw. Using it as a preamp looks possible too, but not something I would immediately try. Thanks again for the input!
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2016

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