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Today I talked to a cop...

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by 96tbird, Feb 6, 2014.

  1. 96tbird

    96tbird PLEASE STAND BY Supporting Member

    Interviewed, on camera, as witness to a $200K fraud I uncovered at work allegedly committed by my predecessor. We went through the details of the evidence that consisted of three years of financials and the related paper files. Then we discussed the state of the bookkeeping systems that were broken down when I signed on.

    Then she asked me to comment as to his efficacy at his job since he had stayed on for two months overlap. In that time he had been mainly absent and unhelpful (big surprise). Once I realized he would be of little use to me, I just ignored him and began fixing the bookkeeping and financials by having the keeper re-enter all transactions from jan 2011 to September 2012 into new software as I overlooked and studied the structure of the organization.

    I found myself hesitating to pass judgement on his abilities to the cop as I felt that was not really, IMO germane to whether or not he jacked the dough. She became abusive in that she said she found it suspicious that I would not be truthful. I told her that my opinion of his work ethic would not count for much because I was too busy doing my job to really even notice him.

    She said " this isn't going anywhere so we're done, you won't cooperate" and escorted me out of the building, all the way nattering how I wouldn't tell the truth and do the right thing blah blah blah. She said they wanted me to tell them he wasn't doing his duties at work.

    Cop gotta stop and think about which side I'm on here and that my pouring through records brought this to light.

    Should I have just said he was an ass? That not only was he a thief, he sucked at his job and plain just didn't do his job? That he gave me no assistance?

  2. 1. I believe it is *germaine* :)
    2. I believe dudes iffy work ethic may well be Germaine(cursed iPad spellcheck will NOT de-capitalize), but that may be the judge's call.
  3. f.c.geil


    May 12, 2011
    Read the thread title, then my answer: bad idea, and I'm so sorry.

    To answer the question you asked: sort of. You are required to cooperate with an investigation unless it will incriminate you. Did you need to hammer the guy? No. You did need to answer her questions, though. Unfortunately, we don't get to decide what is or is not germane (correct spelling for the intended meaning). The cop determines what will be gathered, the P.A. determines what will be presented, and the judge determines what is actually germane.
  4. OK, you got me on *germane* ... I should wake fully before donning my spelling fascist helmet. But I thought the PA was for amplifying vocals, etc..?

    Edit: Nevermind... PROSECUTING Attorney, I get it. Shutting up now...
  5. Steve


    Aug 10, 2001
    I don't know how things work in Canada but me, here?

    1.I'm not saying anything until I lawyer up.

    2.I'm not saying anything until my lawyer tells me that the blanket immunity they give me for my cooperation is legit.

    3. I not saying anything that is not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth as I see it for any reason what-so-ever.
  6. Call her boss and give your version and explain your feelings as to how you regard your opinions irrelevant to the investigation of matters of fact. If that boss won't toe the line go to the prosecutor and complain.
  7. DerHoggz

    DerHoggz I like cats :| Banned

    Feb 13, 2009
    Western Pennsylvania
    No, it's Jermaine!

    But yeah, the OP was correct with germane.
  8. punkjazzben


    Jun 26, 2008
    You were asked a question and you refused to answer. It's not up to you to decide what is relevant to the case. I wouldn't be happy in your position either - having to give your opinion on the guy's character when you don't feel comfortable doing it - but the officer was not out of line.
  9. knumbskull


    Jul 28, 2007
    pack a toothbrush and some soap-on-a-rope, you're going down.
  10. Paladin54

    Paladin54 Rockin' the root...

    Feb 3, 2012
    I would say his efficiency is applicable to the case because his defense is going to hinge on him saying he was not committing fraud he was just terrible at his job. And making $200000 in mistakes is not a crime.
  11. 96tbird

    96tbird PLEASE STAND BY Supporting Member

    To be clear, I did say that he gave me next to no training and was't around to help. She was pushing for my opinion. Just the facts ma'm.

    Jermaine! Bingo! :D
  12. Thick McRunfast

    Thick McRunfast Not just good, good enough

    Sep 30, 2012
    Portland, Oregon USA
    My voluntary cooperation with the investigation would have ended right there.

    The instant you even suspect they are trying to implicate you in a crime you need to shut up and seek legal representation.
  13. "I have no opinion on him"
  14. 96tbird

    96tbird PLEASE STAND BY Supporting Member

    I did say I wasn't going to offer an opinion. She wanted one.

    If she was good at HER job, she would have asked specific questions to get what she felt she wanted to get. She just wanted me to riff on about how I felt. Just nonsense to me.
  15. The fuzz will use all kinds of tricks, even badgering a witness, to get what they feel is useful from you.

    Some fuzz be coo. Other fuzz be trippin', man.
  16. 96tbird

    96tbird PLEASE STAND BY Supporting Member

    I love that old term fuzz! I drag it out now and again myself!

    Dat fuzz was a drag bro.

    I felt badgered or at least MARMOT-ED
  17. DerHoggz

    DerHoggz I like cats :| Banned

    Feb 13, 2009
    Western Pennsylvania
    I like calling security "fake bacon."
  18. JennySuzuki


    Dec 18, 2013
    These are the things I've learned from watching cops interact with people where I work:

    1) The only things you should say to Mr. Officer are "My name is ____. I want my lawyer."

    2) No matter how nice they seem, Mr. Officer is not your friend. Their promises to you hold no legal weight, and they are not obliged to stand by anything they offer you.

    3) You can not win a pissing contest with Mr. Officer. Be polite, do what they tell you, and say nothing.

    These points are especially true if you're not an anglo-saxon male.
  19. Truktek2


    Sep 5, 2008
    Queens, NY
    I prefer the term "rubber gun" :)

    ......or "rent-a-cop"