Too many numbers, too many letters

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by ThomClaire, Jul 18, 2013.

  1. ThomClaire

    ThomClaire

    Dec 31, 2012
    Asheville, NC
    Alright folks. Perhaps some of you saw my thread in the bass section, so you know that I'm new to all this electronic business. I'm trying to figure what I need to know about amps before shopping for one. I looked at the faq and, I'm really just overwhelmed by abbreviations and words that I don't know (like ohms and wattage and what that has to do with me as the bass player).

    So, can someone give me some guidance? I want a rig that is good for smaller gigs (pubs and such) and would at least be a good monitor in larger venues. Ampeg heads (is that a preamp?) Seem to be talked about a lot..
     
  2. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    A "head" is a preamp permanently attached to a power amp. You need a preamp to drive a power amp, and you need a power amp to drive speakers.

    Wattage is the power that the amp puts out and drives the speakers. Ohms describe the relationship between the power amp and the speakers. Follow the rules described in the FAQ for choosing the right ohm ratings for both amp and cabs. If you buy a "combo amp" those contain both a head and a speaker, so you don't need to worry about ohms in that case, it's been prearranged.
     
  3. Warpeg

    Warpeg

    Jun 20, 2005
    Ohio
    The best advice that you will find on Talkbass is to head to your nearest music store and try out as many amps as possible. Then, go to another music store and do the same. Then, go to another....you get the point. :)
     
  4. +1 to warpeg.. Also, do you have a favorite tone from a pro player? If so, that will give you a good idea on where to start..

    Some like Ampegs, some like GK, etc.. It is all personal tone preference.. Same with cabs, the Ampeg 810 fridge is a bass icon. But some prefer full range cabs with tweeters and mids...

    I think starting with a pros tone that you like and then find similar gear will gt ou a good start. Granted you already stated that you want a small ig rig and not a tower of cabs and amps.. But you can get similar tones out of the same companies smaller equipment..

    Another thing, hit up any website where you can find gear reviews.. Will help learn what each piece does, an opinion on tones/sound, etc...
     
  5. ThomClaire

    ThomClaire

    Dec 31, 2012
    Asheville, NC
    Awesome, thank you guys. I think with that info alone the faq will make much more sense to me.

    Warped, great suggestion. My problem with that is that I live in a relatively small town and there aren't any decent music stores. There is a guitar center about an hour away which is where I normally go bit its pretty small. Maybe some suggestions for music stores in charlotte, nc or columbia sc?
     
  6. Columbia is a decent sized area with a lot of musicians.. I am sure there will be quite a few shops in that area. Unfortunately I have not been there since around '96 so don't know at shop names....


    I googled for Greenville and there is a lot in that area as well! Peck all, deluxe, musical innovations....
     
  7. iualum

    iualum

    Apr 9, 2004
    60453
    What's your realistic budget? Do you need the bass also, or just an amp & cab? As for cab format, I'd suggest either a 210 or 115. Also, I'd suggest spending more on the cab than either the bass or amp.
     
  8. Slade N

    Slade N Supporting Member

    May 28, 2005
    portland, or
    +1 to warpeg

    as you try them, experiment with the controls...alot...get to know what they do/how they effect the sound..reading is good, hands on and ears on experience is paramount

    being careful no to go crazy with with the volume tho
     
  9. Ohms is a measure of how hard the speaker pushes back at the amp. Tube amps operate differently to Solid State but having the correct loading is important.
     
  10. ThomClaire

    ThomClaire

    Dec 31, 2012
    Asheville, NC
    Okay I just learned a lot about amp/cab relations for how many watts are recommended for a gig and what that means for your cab/ohms. I think my head is going to explode but I mostly understand. So the impedance of your cabs needs to match the amp's limit, but I'm seeing that cabs also have wattage? So how does that change your amp/cab relationship? Does your cab's wattage need to match something in your amp?

    Do you mean bass guitar? If not you are talking about something I haven't learned about yet. If so, I do need that. But intuition tells me you're talking about something else.

    My realistic budget is probably going to be around 4-500 but I don't know how difficult that will be to meet. I'm already planning on buying used.
     
  11. The relationship of power, sensitivity and volume is the thing to grasp.

    Playing through some rigs at open mics is the best experience.

    Get earplugs.
     
  12. 500 for amplification is a handy budget. If you're also planning instrument out of that then you're into bottom basement.
     
  13. iualum

    iualum

    Apr 9, 2004
    60453
    Yes, I was asking about a bass guitar as well. So you're looking for a bass itself and an amp & cab? All for $400-500?

    Here's a new short scale SX Precision for $80 in Greenville. On a $400-500 budget, I'd grab it. Now. http://greenville.craigslist.org/msg/3875165838.html

    And a Bag End 410 in Laurens for $150 if you go to get it. Condition isn't stated, but there's a phone #. Sure it's heavy, but if it's in good shape & functions 100% then, hey, waddya want? Lotta box for a buck & a half.
    http://greenville.craigslist.org/msg/3934368144.html

    And a Peavey Tour 450 amp in Simpsonville for $220. Betcha he'd do $200 in a heartbeat if you asked nicely.
    http://greenville.craigslist.org/msg/3882451277.html

    That's $430-450.

    Or an Acoustic B200 in Simpsonville for $200. http://greenville.craigslist.org/msg/3889977638.html

    SX & Acoustic is $280.

    Or try Columbia or Charlotte. They're pretty close, yes?
     
  14. ThomClaire

    ThomClaire

    Dec 31, 2012
    Asheville, NC
    Sorry for the confusion. I'm looking for amp/cab for 4-500, not including the bass.
     
  15. ThomClaire

    ThomClaire

    Dec 31, 2012
    Asheville, NC
    When an amp says minimum load is 4 ohms, does that mean it can't do 8 ohms or can't do 2 ohms (or either one)?

    My thought was to go for an amp that can handle 8 ohms or 4 ohms, and then start out with a single 8 ohm 2x12 or 1x15 so that I can later add another 8 ohm cab, but most of the amps I'm seeing that are 300w have a minimum load of 4 ohms
     
  16. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    Can't do 2. It can do 4, 5.3, 8, 16, etc. but it can't do any number smaller than 4.
     
  17. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    ...And two 8 ohm cabs make a 4 ohm total load, while if you hook a 4 ohm up with an 8 ohm it goes down to 2.67 ohms total load. The first way is totally safe and recommended, the second way is not.
     
  18. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    The Peavey Tour amp and the Bagend 410 cab he linked to would make a pretty darn hard-hitting and good sounding rig on a budget.

    That'd be enoigh to handle most any gig you'll play for quite some time.

    I'd start with that. Then don't worry about changing out equipment until you gain some more knowledge about it all.

    I've been playing for getting close to 30 years and that rig would cover just about anywhere I play.
     
  19. iualum

    iualum

    Apr 9, 2004
    60453
    This is good thinkin' :bassist: !
     
  20. Lo-E

    Lo-E

    Dec 19, 2009
    Brooklyn, NY
    +1 to everything above!

    I don't think I know a single person who's still using their first bass rig, but you have to start somewhere. The above rig is a good, solid rig that will get you through any smaller gig (and just about any mid-sized gig, too!). Use it until you have some experience under your belt and you're in a better position to compare things.

    While you're beating that rig up, go to local shows and pay attention to what the more experienced players in your area are using and how they sound. When you do, just keep in mind that their may be help from the PA system involved and also that really experienced players can make almost anything sound great.