Too Much Money (Not Enough Practice) - Rant!

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous [BG]' started by Nicka, Dec 16, 2007.

  1. Nicka

    Nicka Guest

    Jan 10, 2006
    Endorsing Artist: Peavey Electronics
    Heya TB'ers!

    I've been going out quite abit lately and playing out with the band I'm in abit more frequently and I just had to come here and get some fellow bassist' opinions on this.

    You go out to a live music club or festival and see a bassist on stage with a band. He's playing through a very professional high level rig. The band starts playing and by the end of the first song your ready to vomit because of the debauchery going on. Not only does his/her tone absolutely suck but the blatant mistakes are rampant even on the most simplistic of material.

    What sparked this was seeing a blues/rock group the other night while out with some friends. I sat with my back to the band drinking a Crown and Coke while the band played "Carry on My Wayward Son" by Kansas. From the first riff I could tell that the bassit was murdering the line and was having alot of trouble staying in time with the guitarist who was on tempo.

    I look back to see who is raping and pillaging the song and there is a middle aged guy holding an MTD USA 535 with an absolutely beutiful buckeye burl top and running through an Aguilar DB750 and GS412 cab... :scowl:

    I literally wanted to run up on stage and rip the rig away from him like an ASPCA agent rescueing an abused puppy dog!! To me it was like watching Paris Hilton get into a Ferrari Enzo and hop it over a few curbs before plunging it into a river!


    To me it wasn't about the guy having very expensive top of the line gear. It was the fact that even after butchering some of my favorite classic rock tunes he had the audacity to attempt a slapping pattern.. in which his little fan section began hooping and hollaring.

    So what are your experiences with the "Spend your money on lessons instead of gear" syndrom???
  2. Fontaine


    Apr 27, 2006
    i guess everyone likes to play?
  3. Slax


    Nov 5, 2007
    Long Island, NY
    To me, it doesn't really bother me when the bassist is murdering the instrument, no matter how nice their set up is... It makes me feel a little better about myself, even though I'm no where near "great" or "amazing". :)

    On the flip side, I LOVE watching bands where the bassist is amazing.

    Come to think of it, I never really think about what they're playing too much in a jealous thought. I just figure if they can afford it, all the power to them, and that I'm happy with what I own.
  4. Maybe you should get over yourself. So what if he's butchering basslines? Yeah, he's got some money. Yeah, he doesn't have great chops. So what? Life's not fair. Yep, I don't have awesome equipment (It's awesome to me). I might have more chops than someone who's got better equipment. Oh well.
  5. I agree that this may be something that you see from time to time, but it's no different from anything else in life. There are a lot of bad drivers out there with really expensive sports cars. And I know several people with really expensive televisions that don't understand that they aren't receiving an HD signal because they haven't upgraded their satellite/cable package.....

    As far as "spend your money on lessons instead of gear...." If you have some ability, you read some books, and then you practice, then successfully playing in a basic classic rock cover band should be something within your grasp without having to resort to a lot of expensive lessons. You aren't actually writing songs or bass lines - you are learning songs and parts that already exist. This is not to say that all songs are easy to learn, of course, but a good chunk of classic rock songs are fairly straight-forward.

    Sounds like he needs to spends some time practicing and learning songs. But if he truly doesn't have a feel for rhythm and timing, he probably needs to stick to playing at home....
  6. 20db pad

    20db pad

    Feb 11, 2003
    I been everywhere, man...
    None. At all.
    Ferrari dealers don't subject paying customers to driver's tests and sobriety screenings to determine their "worthiness" of owning an expensive sports car. They just care about making a profit by selling them.

    Along those lines, an MTD dealer will be equally happy to sell a 535 to a beginner or a famous virtuoso-level player. In each case, each buyer's money is equally green.
  7. treebranch13

    treebranch13 Guest

    Oct 31, 2007
    hate that. As a teenager who works for every penny to buy my gear and earn it through practice, It hurts.
  8. if he earned the money to buy it, he deserves it.
  9. I have this other syndrome.....
  10. bassjigga

    bassjigga Guest

    Aug 6, 2003
    Yawn. :oops: Again?
  11. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Retired Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    Whew! Mine's a GS410. Otherwise, I'm that guy. Of course, his tone sucked because he was playing through 12's.

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  12. chutsk10

    chutsk10 Guest

    Dec 27, 2006
    Surrey, BC, Canada
    That's life man, happens everywhere.

    It is a posibility that the bassist is just beginging, had money and bought good gear from the start. . and now he is learning and improving.

    I personally have about 10 grand invested in my rig and main bass (not to mention the 5 others) I am not in a band nor do I play shows . . . I don't suck none the less but i am sure there are lots better out there with less expensive gear. It's a matter of income and taste.
  13. It's also possible that this guy is a sub, maybe plays beautiful originals, or isn't a bass player at all and is using someone else's stuff to help out the band, etc...

    Let's all judge him by his equipment and his level of playing.
  14. kristlik

    kristlik Guest

    Nov 22, 2006
    Lincoln, NE
    If he has the money, and the desire to play with great equipment; more power to him.

    It is still more fun to suck on, learn with, and improve playing good basses; then it does playing with basses that suck.

    Even craftsmen that are just learning a trade usually start with good tools.
  15. Nicka

    Nicka Guest

    Jan 10, 2006
    Endorsing Artist: Peavey Electronics
    Get over myself??? The whole point of my post was to demonstrate that money isn't a fix all or a substitute for practice. It always irks me when I see musicians who are super talented and aren't as priveledged as some. Maybe instead of being confrontational on an internet forum you should read a little deeper into the message and not jump straight into an arguement. :confused:
  16. Nicka

    Nicka Guest

    Jan 10, 2006
    Endorsing Artist: Peavey Electronics
    What else is there to judge by?? I'm not going to go to a show and buy someone's record because they can snorkel or bake a pineapple upside down cake...

    Maybe he was a temp and didn't know the material... That only justifys my rant even more.
  17. Munjibunga

    Munjibunga Retired Member

    May 6, 2000
    San Diego (when not at Groom Lake)
    Independent Contractor to Bass San Diego
    So Nick. Let's say you can easily afford any bass and rig you want, and you're a middling middle-aged player. Are you going to be playing a Squier through a Crate amp, or an MTD through an Aguilar?
  18. Nicka

    Nicka Guest

    Jan 10, 2006
    Endorsing Artist: Peavey Electronics
    Good question. Call me realistic, but I try think to myself if I am going to justify the money spent on the equipment by the practice and experience I have. Over the years I stepped up equipment as my proficiency and musical endeavors grew. Saying that I know that there are alot of cats that could take my rig and shred it to hell and back. I'm confident enough in what I do to admit that. But even at this moment I can't justify owning a $4000 instrument even though my income would allow it.
  19. Life's too short to worry about such things. So what if he was playing through a high end rig? For all you know, he could have been simply borrowing it for the night, as someone else suggested.
  20. popinfresh


    Dec 23, 2004
    Melbourne, Aus
    I bet he worked hard to purchase his gear, and even if he didn't, who are you to judge? At least he's enjoying playing and probably enjoying others playing bass, unlike those who just judge others on their gear.