While I thought it known to apply a general degree of cooperation and ethics when trading basses on this forum, I recently found out otherwise. Some of you are here more frequently than others. Some sell equipment almost daily and members may feel more comfortable dealing with them. There are other less frequent members that sell/trade equipment that to anyone interested might consider the seller/trader a complete stranger. I might be considered one of them. I have traded basses w/roughly 5 TBers since I joined in 2002. All of the transactions have been successful (for both parties) up to this point. However, I recently traded basses w/a TBer and while both parties are content w/the basses, I was displeased w/the way the transaction was handled by the other trader. I shouldnt have to explain exactly what happened in this scenario but I dont know how else to help others avoid a similar situation w/o describing EXACTLY what took place. The other trader didnt get it, so apparently it has to be spelled out for some. It is not necessarily my intention to expose the trader in this transaction but to depict what took place and suggest and request information from members offered and post flags to watch out for a more seamless transaction. If you have any more suggestions or comments feel free to append to this thread. If you feel I am overreacting (as does the other trader) Id like to know that as well. *Note - I have been on Ebay since 99 and have a modest rating of 212 (yet have maintained 100%) so I feel I have somewhat of a clue on proper buying/selling ethics. While trades are handled differently certain actions would and should still apply. Here is the scenario: The other trader posted the ad to trade their bass. I responded w/a PM claiming I had Qty 2 of what they were looking for in trade. I sent pics of each and offered either one in trade. We exchanged PMs throughout the day. The trader asked multiple questions which I answered promptly and clearly. They chose 1 of 2 basses they wanted in trade. I gave the trader my phone # and ebay feedback profile (which is my username and TB name no hiding here) for reliability concerns. I didnt get a ph# or any other personal info from them. I didnt get their name (and address) until we agreed to ship. I should have been more reluctant to deal w/someone that was short in messaging and unwilling to either call or offer a ph#. However, we (I) proceeded We started exchanging messages on a Thursday. We discussed shipping (via PMs). I told the trader I could ship on the weekend for convenience but that it truly wouldnt ship until Monday as UPS is not open on the weekend, although Staples offers UPS service. The trader agreed to ship the bass early that week as well. I shipped on Monday and sent the tracking# to the trader. I didnt hear from them until exactly 7 days later when I tracked the bass I sent and found it had been recd. I didnt get a response so I sent an email asking if they liked it and they claimed Yes, I am digging it. I also asked if I should expect the bass in trade anytime soon. They claimed yes I should see it that week. Thats fine. Another week goes by still no bass or even an email or phone call w/the status, shipping info, tracking, etc. It is then Monday of the 3rd week and I sent another email telling them that there are only 3 options to what is going on at this point. 1- You didnt ship. 2- You shipped just recently and it is en route. 3- Its lost in transit. Pick one. Im thinking #1 They were insulted by my statement and claimed they didnt know what was taking so long but I would get the bass THIS week. They also claimed I was overreacting and not to worry. Really. What was I thinking? Tuesday the bass shows up. IN MY BOX! Yep, the box that I sent to them originally (with my label to them covered by a blank white label) I questioned this and told the trader it was now clear what happened. They obviously wanted to approve the bass I sent before releasing their bass. We did not agree to this. Had we talked about this trial basis I would have backed out. They denied the fact that it was my original box shipped back to me and claimed that they sent it before receiving my bass. Well, anyone that uses UPS on a regular basis knows that the tracking# on the label can be used to get all the details of the shipment. Guess when the bass was shipped? The day after receiving my bass! Hello, Its my original box. How can this even be disputed? Then I got a message claiming that they stated to me previously that I was warned that they wouldnt be able to ship until they did. I never heard that before and this was THEIR ad posted to trade but they are not ready to ship (for 2 weeks)? Why would I believe anything more at this point? Needless to say nothing claimed added up. Just lies. Assuming the other trader couldnt (for whatever reason) possibly ship until they did. Then where does all the lying fit in? It doesnt. I was livid and posted justifiable negative feedback, accused them of lying which was blatant at this point and suggested they Grow Up! To the other trader, who posted retaliation feedback, I was Rude and Impatient. Whats wrong with this picture? Other than to not have followed through w/this transaction what else could I have done to make this a smoother transaction? With the info I provided do you think THEY ever felt they wouldnt get my bass? Luckily in the end, the bass finally sent to me turned out to be OK (only after a MAJOR setup) I didnt like it as is either. But the feedback I left regards the transaction handling, not the bass. I feel this needed to be exposed on the forum which it occurred that allows this trading/selling, but has no fall back procedures other than feedback. There is no documented disputing, claim or insurance, especially when trading and no money/CC/ PayPal is involved. Its possible I could have never seen the bass. Or received mine back (upon disapproval from trader) and be out the shipping cost. But to purposely wait to approve/disapprove the bass in trade then decide whether to ship is simply wrong w/o agreeing to it prior. If anyone feels that I am overreacting please reply. For those that feel that the other trader was not at fault and finds their actions acceptable, please know that this behavior is deceitful and will more than likely get you negative feedback as well. To that end, a lesson learned for me. In the future, I personally will not trade w/o speaking to the trader on the phone and getting a better feel for their personality (which has paid off in the past). So be careful, more careful than I was. Apparently there are members willing to mislead.