Transcription

Even though the advice to transcribe is one of the most useful and almost omni-present on this forum, there's no real thread about it!

I transcribed a few lines myself. But not enough, and I believe this has been the single most detrimental factor to my development as a player. I've had lessons with Mike Pope and Chris Tarry and both told me that the most important thing in getting to that "next level" is transcription of the masters!

Janek Gwizdala introduced me to the concept of "the scrolls of knowledge" as he and Mike Stern call their books full of transcriptions and musical notes. I guess everybody has read an interview with Mike where he mentions working out of those even while on tour.

Of course, transcribing doesn't mean simply "copying" the lines.
While the idea to "make it sound like there's only one player" (Chick Corea) is very important, Janek expressed it quite well when he wrote: "Take it, turn it upside down, inside out, and develop it into something new."

Transcribing is also key to the idea of Charlie Parker: “You've got to learn your instrument. Then, you practice, practice, practice. And then, when you finally get up there on the bandstand, forget all that and just wail.”

You don't want to be up there thinking about scales and arpeggios, about key centers and their common notes -- you want to play what you feel and hear inside. And the only (or at least the absolute best) way to form that connection from your inner self to the instrument is transcription.

So - what are your thoughts on this? Which songs where the most important for you to transcribe and open the doors to a new language?
 
Artists who have been greatly influential, and that fill up my sets of scrolls include.....

Coltrane, Lee Morgan, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Freddie Hubbard, pat metheny, Mike Stern, Chris Potter, Michael Brecker, sonny stitt, sonny Rollins, Steve Grossman, Herbie hancock, Chick Corea, Louis Armstrong, Clark Terry, Oscar Peterson, Sarah Vaughn, Ella Fitzgerald, Frank Sinatra, Kurt Rosenwinkel, Brad Mehldau.

This it quite a small list, there are obviously 100's more players that I draw upon, but way too many to list.

At least two of the scrolls come with me on tour whenever I leave town. Always working (and hopefully always will be working) on solos and ideas. I'm getting very much into writing my own lines and creating new things that aren't directly drawn from specific players.
 
with transcribing, which i really wonna become better at, what if u sit there for hours trying to figure something out, and u still cant really get it the way u want, then what do u do? just keep trying till u get it? something i realize is that when i try to transcribe something, and i cant really get it right, i go away for an hour or more, come back and i can here parts i didnt realize before, but is that enough? is it just about patience and time?
 
I always tell my students they should transcribe Everything.

When you hear a song, you should get tot the point where you have a good idea of what it's doing and what the parts are right then and there without a ton of trial and error.

I transcribe allll the time when I am driving. I think that's possibly what driving was invented for: my trascribing time!
 
That's a good point! An important point of ear training in general is to challenge yourself everyday. You don't need to do that with music all the time: Your PC is humming? Sing that tone! There's a train passing.. Can you find a rhythm in there?

While this may seem esoteric it's a very helpful and interesting experience! It helps you to develop an new awareness for what's going on around you.
 
it's an art in itself... and you can transcribe for various reasons, the challenge of it, or to help you deconstruct a piece for your own understanding, or just the pleasure of looking at notes on a page... different artists have different looks on a piece of manuscript, and the knotty rhythms of a Zappa or Stravinsky piece have a certain visual excitement, even to someone who can't read music

on a tangential topic... I can't stand badly drawn pieces of manuscript.. !!! how can you expect people to approach your music respectfully, let alone play it accurately if they can barely read it?? :)

I mean things like this:

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cowsgomoo,

you make some good points, but missed the one about transcription being for developing music vocab. which is, in my opinion, the most important.

It should always be a challenge to transcribe something. hopefully, if it's challenging, it will be something you can't already hear or play. And you will get the most out of it.

It's like working out and only doing 10 push ups at a time when you're more than capable of 15, but should be doing 20 to make any difference to the muscle mass. The more you push yourself the more good it's going to do you in the long run and more you will develop.

If you're new to transcribing try and start off with something simple from Mile's kind of blue for instance. The trumpet solo on freddie freeloder is perfect. Motific developement, playing inside the harmony and simple ways to play over ii-v-i progressions on the turn around, and leaving space between phrases.

for a soloing direction in transcription these are a few of the specific solos that helped me in the beginning.

Freddie Hubbard's trumpet solo - Fee Fi Fo Fum from Wayne Shorter's "Speak No Evil"

Pat Metheny Guitar solo - Third Wind from PMG's album "still Life Talking"

Stan Getz tenor solo - The way you look tonight from "Stan Getz Plays"

Chris Potter tenor solo - Amsterdam Blues from "Unspoken"

Brad Mehldau piano solo - Countdown from "Live at the village vangaurd"

John Coltrane Tenor solo - Mr. PC from "Giant Steps"

Mike Stern Guitar Solo - Swunk from "is what it is"

Chick Corea piano solo - Matrix from "Now He Sings Now He Sobs"

Herbie Hancock piano solo - My funny valentine from Miles Davis "The Complete Concert 1964 My Funny Valentine + Four & More (Disc 1)"

Miles davis trumpet solos - If I were a bell, If I could write a book, Freddie Freeloader, So what, Capricorn, Springsville from the albums "workin" "relaxin" "cookin" "miles ahead" "water Babies" "kind of blue"

Michael Brecker tenor solos - Song for bilbao, Cabin Fever, Nothing Personal, Pools, Itsbeyereel from the albums "tales from the hudson" "Michael Brecker" "steps Ahead" "Don't try this at home"


This is a brief look at what I was into initialy when I got inot transcription, and I did almost all of these solos as complete transcriptions from start to finish.

I also now have a book with around 500 lines and ideas in it that I have taken from various solos. just short phrases that I really liked and wanted to refer back to in the future.

Peace,

Janek
 
thats strange im just working on the tales from hudson album, im transcribing all the pat metheny and brecker solos, so far i have done metheny's solo on 'slings and arrows' and breckers solo on 'midnight voyage'. mannnn, brecker plays some good blues.
 

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