Transients

Discussion in 'Recording Gear and Equipment [BG]' started by shwashwa, Jun 28, 2020.

  1. shwashwa

    shwashwa

    Aug 30, 2003
    NJ
    So I am recording upright bass at home. It's an old XP computer that works fine and I'm using cool edit pro. Could reluctantly use the original version of cubase Le if pressed. I have a very nice phoenix audio preamp and a fet condenser mic. I love the tone but the transient response is very fast and I feel is almost too much weight to the front of the note which bogs down the time. I have a pedal, way huge pork loin, that claims the clean channel emulates a Neve preamp. I split the signal and run one straight into the daw and one through the pork loin. I love how the pork loin flattens the transients and makes everything feel more legato. Is this what a neve does? If so, is there another way that I can get this characteristic? Why not use the pork loin you say? Because it hollow the tone slightly. I suppose with some tweaking I could overcome this. but I was wondering is this a characteristic of a neve? Is this a characteristic of transformers? How can I get this without spending big bucks on a neve? I would gladly do it through plugin but remember I'm using an old XP machine
     
  2. shwashwa

    shwashwa

    Aug 30, 2003
    NJ
    And I should also add, if at all possible, I'd like to avoid using a compressor because I know I would be endlessly tweaking it. If I could just plug into something that does it automatically and naturally that would be preferable
     
  3. pfschim

    pfschim Just a Skeleton with a Jazz bass

    Apr 26, 2006
    SF Bay Area
    FWIW, the Rupert Neve DI runs about $269 new, which is not a ton for a great DI. I see a few on Reerb used for a bit less too ... ~$230.
     
  4. shwashwa

    shwashwa

    Aug 30, 2003
    NJ
    Thanks, so you're saying I should run a microphone to that? Will that give me the desired effect?
     
  5. pfschim

    pfschim Just a Skeleton with a Jazz bass

    Apr 26, 2006
    SF Bay Area
    no, sorry, it's a DI, not a mic pre, so I believe you would just something like that in place of your Pork Loin which apparently emulates a Neve preamp.
    no expert here, so take my advice with the proverbial grain of salt.
     
  6. silky smoove

    silky smoove Supporting Member

    May 19, 2004
    Seattle, WA
    The most commonly used Neve preamp you’ll find is the 1073 and there are TONS of clones. They all have a characteristic that sort of removes attack from the initial transient and adds fatness to the overall sound. It’s the sonic opposite of something like an API 312, which emphasizes the transient’s attack. Most engineers will use a 1073 on sources where a smooth and fat response is preferable like a vocal, a lead guitar, toms on a drum kit, and frequently bass guitar. Conversely, a 312 would be used on things like kick, snare, etc. These aren’t hard and fast rules, but generally speaking it sounds like you’re digging the 1073 vibe. The most economical way to get this in a single channel, high quality variant is the Golden Age Pre-73 JR. That said, a clean and neutral preamp like the one found in most interfaces coupled with some mixing in the box should easily be able to solve this without needing to purchase additional gear. Removing some energy in the upper midrange is usually sufficient to tone down the attack. If more than that is needed it’s time to reach for a compressor.
     
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  7. shwashwa

    shwashwa

    Aug 30, 2003
    NJ
    Great Reply, thank you! Are there any neve plugins that you know of that might work on an old XP machine?
     
  8. shwashwa

    shwashwa

    Aug 30, 2003
    NJ
    Or any other stompboxes that might work? Hudson broadcast for example?
     
  9. silky smoove

    silky smoove Supporting Member

    May 19, 2004
    Seattle, WA
    There are tons of emulating plugins. Just search for 1073 plugin. That said, any parametric EQ plugin and possibly a compressor plugin will easily accomplish what you’re after.

    There are probably others, but if you already have one that does the 1073 “thing” I don’t see a reason to continue throwing money at it.
     
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