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Tri 10 - Bergie 1x12 - Tri 12 - Aggie GS 12 - Epfiani UL 12 owners -

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by FunkyLemz, Dec 7, 2005.


  1. FunkyLemz

    FunkyLemz

    Oct 17, 2005
    Los Angeles, CA
    Hey guys, I have a question about what you think of your cabs as a single stand alone with a band. Let me know your experiences as far as bass response, cutting through the band, volume, punch, and anything else you can tell me. Any other users such as Schroeder and others can chime in too. Im looking for something light, but bassy with as little as color as possible.
    Thanks in advance - Ill be more descriptive in a bit, but I have to go to class.
    Peace, Mike
     
  2. SteveC

    SteveC Supporting Member

    Nov 12, 2004
    North Dakota
    I use a Bergie HT112. I play in a jazz quartet and a pop/rock/acoustic/band. We usually have PA support, but I have used it stand alone.

    It was able to carry a small/meduim bar in a 6 piece band. It doesn't have earth shattering lows, but it's not wimpy by any means. It can really cut through the band.

    I used it on an outdoor jazz gig and it was great as well.
     
  3. MacGroove

    MacGroove Brother of the Groove with a 'Pocket Full of Funk'

    Oct 5, 2005
    Calif.
    I've tried the Tri 10 and the Tri 12 separately and together as well as two Tri 12's and didn't have the backbone as my Epi 112 did. The Epi 112 also produced a fuller range of tone with a fuller sounding B. Two Epi 112's are a monster, but using just one 112 with our band was plenty for small to medium venues. I've know of many Epi users to use one 112 and one 110 together.
     
  4. FunkyLemz

    FunkyLemz

    Oct 17, 2005
    Los Angeles, CA
    6 piece band? Outdoor? Wow, you dont have trouble hearing yourself?

    Epifani's and a Bergie 12 are my top choices has anyone compared the 2.

    What about EA are opinions are far as being heard not just holding up?
     
  5. FunkyLemz

    FunkyLemz

    Oct 17, 2005
    Los Angeles, CA
    I forgot to mention that I bought a TRI 10 and I felt that it just didnt have enough boom as a stand alone. I really don't know what I was thinking because we are playing funky gospel music and if not Im playing rock.

    I'm also considering smaller 2x10's. I have a Bergie HT 2x10, but I was think about something not as bulky. The Tri 1x10 had a much richer sound when compared to the Bergie 2x10 because I heard my bass not the cab. It was amazing how different the 2 sounded, but as for right now I think Im going to keep the Bergie for a smaller cab to run around with. -I just wish it had more of a flat sound and was lighter.
     
  6. I wouldn't advise the Epi112UL as a stand alone for a loud band. I've tried it with a 5-piece 70s/80s cover band, and I wasn't getting the volume that I needed. The GS112 would fare far better as a standalone for loud gigs, IMO. The mids will jump out the more you drive it, and it has great projection. The Epi112 does sound great though, but for real volume I'd pair it with a 110 (and I do), or another 112. I've no experience with the other boxes.
     
  7. Matt Morgan

    Matt Morgan Fellow Conspirator Supporting Member

    Oct 21, 2001
    Plano, TX
    I use either one or two EA CXL112Ls depending on the gig.
    Small gig - I've used just one with great success. It will keep up with two guitar players and a drummer who aren't blasting a small venue.
    Big gig - for bigger clubs where I know the guitar players are going to crank it up and my drummer is going to put some muscle into it, I'll bring two.

    One is fine though for anything short of a big club gig or a loud outdoor gig.

    The CXL is super punchy, very clean and articulate, seriously loud (103db efficient) and is a very portable cab as well. Great weight balance and handle placement. I love 'em!
    I used to own the Aggies which I played for a while and have tried the Bergs and Accugrooves. I greatly prefer the EAs but that's just me!
     
  8. GeorgeG

    GeorgeG Commercial User

    Jun 15, 2005
    Sydney, Australia
    Owner of Bass Gear Direct
    Yeah, I'm one of those guys has had 2 Epi 112UL which sounded big and defined. But now I use a epi T110UL with my 112UL and it sounds even better. The 112 on it's own can cut small to medium size gigs (100-300) seat venue. Has plenty of bottom that doesn't mind being pushed and gives a nice upper midrange that gives a smooth type of definition. But if you add the t110UL as others have talked about on other threads it gives you more punch and snap. For me this is one my favourite small combos. Very easy to move around also, 112UL 30lbs, 110Ul 19lbs.
    One other worth mentioning which I am also enjoying and have recently discovered is the EA wizzy 112. This is warm and punchy at the same time. The low end stays very tight, mid range is solid with a vintage touch to it (sounds fantastic with a fender jazz bridge pickup) and doesn't mind being played loud. Sounds great on it's own. Add a EA CXL 112L which is more modern sounding and you have another fantastic modular rig that can handle any situation.
    GeorgeG.
     
  9. SteveC

    SteveC Supporting Member

    Nov 12, 2004
    North Dakota
    It was a jazz quartet gig.
     
  10. J.Wolf

    J.Wolf Supporting Member

    Apr 29, 2003
    Asheville, NC
    I second the vote for a EA CXL112. For a small 1x12 cab, that that thing was a beast, super loud, and great lowend extension. I do prefer the tone and projection of my tri112, but I loved that CXL112. I haven't found anything that projects as well as my Accugrooves.
     
  11. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    i hate 1x12's. :) but here are my thoughts...

    EA CXL112 (neo speaker) - lower mid punchtastic motherplucker w/ a hifi sizzle that'll excite the coldest of fish. and the vinyl like covering is uber cool. close second.

    Epifani UL112 - cuts like a hifi ginzu mofo. chewy, brownie rich, fat middle mids that stands out amazingly well in a dense mix. also, the lightest of the bunch. one of the few 1x12's i'd actually own. the GAS is strong.

    Accu Tri112 - BIGGEST sounding 1x12 on the planet. one 1x12 sounds like a pair of the other brands. no doubt. but IMHO, the least cutting. not great for dense mixes, but great for trios. also, sounds AMAZING w/ all tube crap.

    Berg HT112 - glossy, rich, fat, sound, w/ a tweeter to die for. a modern classic. but didnt quite like my Sadowsky's Low B.

    Berg HT112 (reinvented redux) - handled the low B'ness like hogan. had a more old school, beefy, brown sound. also, sounded pretty dang big.

    Aguilar GS112 - low volume sounds are a bit mid shy, and needs plenty of power to get workin'. once its juiced, the mids burp up nicely. has that rich, yet glossy, fat sound aggie's are known for. IMHO, a modern classic.
     
  12. Pickebass

    Pickebass Supporting Member

    Jul 12, 2004
    San Antonio, TX
    What he said :bag:
    I personally recommend the Epi if you have to carry only one cab... The Aggies (X2) if you want the old school punch and the Berg (x2) if you want hi-fi cleanliness with solid sound... LOVE that tweeter...
     
  13. D.A.R.K.

    D.A.R.K. Supporting Member

    Aug 20, 2003
    Virginia
    i just tried out the bergatino 1x12's next to my aggie for the first time
    yesterday...
    as a stand-alone, it's aggie hands down for me. more full-range...
    the bergatino sounded excellent but did not come close in the low-end dept. it did have alot more immediate mid to it though...but not the kind i personally like. both have very nice sounding tweets that reacted very similar...just a dab'll do ya to sweeten the tone.
    although both are rated at 300 watts rms, the aggie easily took more power than the bergie.
    .02
    cheers
    d
     
  14. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    I have not played the Tri 112, but I am familiar with the others mentioned (though I've spent more time with the Epifani T-112 than the UL112). Powered cabs aside ;), I would consider the HT112 and T-112 to be the best "stand alone" solutions. The Berg is more well balanced, tonally, but the Epi has a stronger low end (of course, it's a lot bigger enclosure, too). The UL112 has more upper midrange (which I think is good, as the T-112 is a bit scooped in this region) but to my ears, the low end is not as tight/forceful, and doesn't have the same punch as the T-112. In truth, the T-112 and HT112 sound pretty darn killer together! The Bergantino tweeter is more smoothly integrated, and you really can't hear where the driver rolls off and the tweeter kicks in. On the Epi's, the tweeter is more open and airy (with some "woodiness"), but it also seems to float on top of the tones coming from the driver, as opposed to seemlessly transitioning from one to the other.

    The Tri 110 doesn't have enough volume or lows to be used as a stand alone option (IME/IMHO), but it pairs up really well with other cabs (like the Tri 210L) which might need more upper midrange cut and clarity.

    The GS112 does have a pretty full low end, and it's highs are fairly bright, but to my ears, it doesn't have as much focus throughout the midrange as the other cabs offer. To my ears, the GS112 really has its own sound, no matter what amp you drive it with and no matter what bass you play through it. If you did that tone, then it'd be a fine cab.

    Others have mentioned EA, and I'll say that I think of the Wizzy as the superior stand alone 1x12 (although two sound pretty killer!), and the CxL-112 as a killer support cab for a 2x10. The Wizzy is more full and warm sounding (though not muddy). It has a definite midrange push, and its highs are not as bright (no tweeter). The CxL-112 goes pretty deep, and can be pushed pretty hard, but its midrange is not as smooth as the Wizzy, and it sounds a bit thin (though very clear) through the lower mids on its own. It really shines with the NL-210, though.

    You have some good choices, here, and ultimately, it comes down to personal preference.

    Hope that helps, Tom.
     
  15. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    Are you referring to the HT112S? I have not heard one of those, but I bet they sound killer! I hear that they are like an HT112, but with more low end.

    Tom.
     
  16. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    yea,

    was too lazy to check the website, but i REALLY like what jim did w/ his newer 1x12. the only thing i wanted out of it was the older bergie tweeter w/ that glossy, burnished sound.
     
  17. tombowlus

    tombowlus If it sounds good, it is good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 3, 2003
    North central Ohio
    Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
    Talking to Jim, it sounds like the tweeter is the same, but the crossover has been changed somewhat. I think that the IP series crossovers may end up being more to your liking.

    Tom.
     
  18. B String

    B String Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    Los Angeles

    I must admit. For the most part, I agree with golden ears.
    (joker) I haven't used the new Berg ht112s, but I believe
    him. I wish I like the Accu stuff more. One of the nicest
    companies out there. Great guys. But then, so is Jorg.
    OOPS! There I go again with the love fest thing again. sorry.
     
  19. FunkyLemz

    FunkyLemz

    Oct 17, 2005
    Los Angeles, CA
    decisions decisions - thanks for the very informative reviews.
    I guess I will wait for any one of these cabs to come around on the used market and take as many as I can for a test ride. What do you all think about the Schroeder 1210?
     
  20. jokerjkny

    jokerjkny

    Jan 19, 2002
    NY / NJ / PA
    the 1210's a great cab. REALLY voiced, and will make whatever amp you're using soundall the same, but OH, what a sound! like a refined Eden XLT. smoother sounding tweeter, yet about as aggressive and punchy. much heavier than the other cabs, but another terrific cab/solution.