Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by Garrett Mireles, Oct 21, 2003.

1. ### Garrett Mireles

Oct 26, 2002
USA, Kailua, Oahu

G-----0-
D---2---
A-3-----

If I take the 3rd an octave lower,

G------0---
D----------
A-3--------
E---0------

..does it remain a Cmaj triad?

Also, what do you name a triad with a sharp 3rd? And if it has a sharp 3rd and 5th? It looks like an inversion..only it's not.

Thanks.

2. ### Aaron

Jun 2, 2001
Seattle, WA
yep, still a triad. One of my favorite voicings for a triad is the third on the bottom with the root and then the fifth on the top. It gives it a more ambiguous texture.

Thirds are never sharp, they are either flat (minor) or natural (major). A sharp 3rd would be a perfect 4th.

Root 4th 5th is a sus chord.

3. ### cowsgomoogone to Longstanton Spice Museum

Feb 8, 2003
UK
if the major 3rd is raised a semitone, so you have C, F (or E#, if you're so inclined) & G, you'd call it a suspended 4th triad

the 'sharp 3rd & 5th' scenario would give you C, E# and G#, enharmonically: C, F & Ab... which you'd normally call an F minor triad (2nd inversion if the C is at the bottom)

4. ### moley

Sep 5, 2002
Hampshire, UK
As the others have said, you don't. Didn't you ask about this #3 #5 thing once before? Or was that someone else? Anyway the other guys summed it up - when the 4th replaces the 3rd, it's a sus4 chord, but there isn't a #3 #5 chord - in this case, it's just F Minor in 2nd inversion.

5. ### Aaron

Jun 2, 2001
Seattle, WA
When you change the order around completely (i.e. 3rd - root - fifth), do you just call it by the name of the inversion that has the same interval as the bass note (first inversion in this case)?

6. ### craigles

Jul 14, 2002
Sydney, Australia
Cool...I've always wondered about that.

btw what is the second inversion notated as?

Cheers,

Craigles

EDIT: I'm assuming it's C/G ???

7. ### thrash_jazz

Jan 11, 2002
Artist: JAF Basses, Circle K Strings
That would be a slash chord, with the root first and the bass note second.

For instance, as GUACAMOLEY said, a Cmaj in its first inversion would be C/E. If you were referring to the triad, you'd just call it "Cmaj triad in 1st inversion".

Same thing applies to second inversions.

8. ### moley

Sep 5, 2002
Hampshire, UK
The inversion goes by the bass note. 3rd in the bass = 1st inversion, 5th in the bass = 2nd inversion.

9. ### moley

Sep 5, 2002
Hampshire, UK
You got it.

10. ### Aaron

Jun 2, 2001
Seattle, WA
I was just asking if a triad voiced 3rd-root-fifth would have a different name as a triad voiced 3rd-fifth-root. I believe moley stated that they would both be C maj in first inversion or C/E.

11. ### sunburstbasser

Oct 18, 2003
Raising a Major Third in a triad will give a fourth or it can also be called an augmented third.

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