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Trying to get a Sound Between Geezer and Steve Harris

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Claedawg, Mar 26, 2020.


  1. Claedawg

    Claedawg

    Mar 26, 2020
    I'm looking for amp and speaker setups to get a sound somewhere in between Geezer Butler and Steve Harris. I love the low, hard hitting sound of Geezer but do not want to loose too much high end to get that string slapping, percussion feel of Steve Harris. Needs to be loud to get past my drummer and guitarist, lol.

    I current use an Ampeg B2 RE (400 @ 4ohms, 350 @ 8 ohms) and a 2-15 Crate ( I think it is 450 @ 4 ohms, hard to read the sticker on the back). This does not get the job done loudness wise. I have tried to the Boss compressor pedal but keep having problems with the connections going bad and causing hissing. I have most recently been using the Trace Eliot preamp pedal board for the compressor and some EQ settings to get the loudness. In either case I get a lot of clipping. When just using the Boss Compressor, I have blown a few other speakers I used in the past and still was barely able to get the loudness over the drums and guitar.

    Setting the mids more than quarter up causes bad clipping.
     
  2. Wicked G

    Wicked G

    Jan 19, 2017
    Hell Paso Texas
    Well I have been able to cop Geezers tone from the Black Sabbath album 13 with my Orange Terror Bass 500 and 2 OBC115'S.

    And here is a video with Scot Alexander from Dishwalla copying Steve Harris tone.
     
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  3. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    If you want that kind of loudness and not blow speakers, you need more than a 215. Honestly, I wouldn't begin to try to get that kind of volume with anything smaller than an 810. Might get a more powerful head as well, since you're apparently trying to get insano levels. Maybe an SVT 4 Pro would be the ticket for you.
     
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  4. Dave W

    Dave W Supporting Member

    Mar 1, 2007
    White Plains
    Budget?
     
  5. Claedawg

    Claedawg

    Mar 26, 2020
    2k It would a couple of months before I could do it, but I've been wanting to upgrade for a while.
     
  6. Claedawg

    Claedawg

    Mar 26, 2020
    Would not be an issue but the guys I play with are very loud, like I get dizzy loud sometimes, lol. We played Minot ND one time and booted because they thought we were a metal band. We were playing classic 60s rock and our original stuff is no where near metal (except for maybe compared to 50s or 60s pop). I think that had to do with there being card games going on and we were messing up their concentration. Their house band played the same stuff we did but acoustic style (they were nice guys though). Ya live and ya learn. First time I had been to a state where every bar was a casino.
     
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  7. Claedawg

    Claedawg

    Mar 26, 2020
    The speakers I blew were 2 cabs connected cabs, 4x10 and a 15. But they were the Guitar Center brand speaker cabs, I forget the name.

    There was also one time in another band with the same head but a smaller cab that the speaker itself exploded. Looked like a someone shot with a shotgun. That was an actual hard rock/heavy metal band.
     
  8. JimmyM

    JimmyM Supporting Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    I've played Minot ND, too! Not a bad place for looking like it was just built 10 years ago.

    Anyway, playing classic 60's rock that loud is going to cost you gigs, especially in casinos, and down here in Florida, it would most definitely cost you gigs in bars. In 1979, I first saw Blue Oyster Cult in a 10,000 seat arena. They blew my head off with volume. In 2014 I believe it was, I saw them at Mohegan Sun Casino in CT and strained to hear them. They used big gear, but used it quietly and in keeping with the Wolf Den's decibel limit. Even Vince Neil from Motley Crue played there a couple years ago solo and had to keep within the limits.
     
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  9. Claedawg

    Claedawg

    Mar 26, 2020
    I would prefer to play at a quieter level myself. It s just easier to hear the music more clearly and I used to also co-run sound at a church and understand the basics of how sound/volume should go.

    Coincidentally, one of our pastors at that church was arrested for a noise complaint from a a nearby house. The music was not actually that loud outside of the church. The typical level was in the 90s inside but it was a big affair, full band with horn section, classical string section (small 3-4 violins) and of course a choir (reminded me of a Chicago concert, lol). They did a decibel test at he house and the trucks going by on the nearby major thoroughfare was louder then the music coming from the church. The church was about 200-300 yards away and the road was a block or two away.
     
  10. Dave W

    Dave W Supporting Member

    Mar 1, 2007
    White Plains
    I'd check out a used SVT CL and used Ampeg 8X10 if you could.
     
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  11. Gearhead17

    Gearhead17 Supporting Member

    May 4, 2006
    Mount Prospect, IL
    The B2RE is not that great of a head either. Very cold sounding, lacks the Ampeg warmth and it seems to have a baked low end boost around 40hz. You would also benefit from a HPF pedal (high pass filter) and removing the super lows (anything below what the cabinet can handle comfortably). Your commercial bass cabs typically do not do low end below 40hz with any kind of volume. The SVT CL or the SVT 4 PRO are two good choices. Couple that with an Ampeg 810 and I think you will achieve more of what you want.

    The SH-1 pedal is just what you need! Check out this demo, plenty of samples!
     
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  12. Claedawg

    Claedawg

    Mar 26, 2020
    SOunds great with a lot of options. That dude is bad ass too.
     
  13. Are you playing classic 60s Rock style music?
     
  14. Claedawg

    Claedawg

    Mar 26, 2020
    That and originals which have kind of an 80s rock base with a bit of 90s rock feel to it. Vintage Radio Gods. Just don't listen to the Fairies Wear Boots video my guitarist posted. It is horrible. Was only the third time going through the song with the guys and I was the only one who had even heard the song before. They are not Sabbath fans. They are not opposed to Sabbath, they were just not in that scene.
    We were going to do Jr's Eyes by Sabbath but could never get the changes down.
     
  15. starjag

    starjag Supporting Member

    Dec 3, 2019
    Never seen this before... A string using the 3rd peg, D string crossing over and using the 2nd peg. It sort of makes sense as the regular A string angle is often very shallow.

     
  16. Wicked G

    Wicked G

    Jan 19, 2017
    Hell Paso Texas
    My band does Fairies Wear Boots, Warpigs, Children of the Grave and Heaven and Hell which are big time crowd pleasers. Yes we are Black Sabbath fans.

    I learned Jrs Eyes many years ago and that is an awesome song to play, unfortunately not very many people know it. Anyway sorry for the derail, back to amps.
     
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  17. The amp your using is fine, just need some better speakers that can handle the power,
    a good HPF, and a SansAmp programmable and you'll be all set <- you can find these used at a good price regularly in the TB ads.

    Edit: and I would also focus less on trying to sound like someone else, good to have your hero, but maybe not good to be their clone.
     
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