Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by slipknot229, Sep 17, 2001.

  1. slipknot229

    slipknot229 Guest

    Apr 1, 2000
    inside your head...
    hi, i recently retubed my ampeg svt-3pro with 12ax7's (four) and guitar center didnt have a 12au7 in stock they ordered one for me. amp has four brand spankin' new 12ax7's in it and the old 12au7. I noticed, however, the sound coming from my amp has DETERIORATED :eek: ....its more crackly and old sounding than before!!! is it the single old tube dragging the tone down to the netherworld or is the 12AU7 in the wrong place???? (its supposed to be a poweramp triode so there IS a specific spot for it) ampeg/tube experts please help!! i appreciate all responses (except for the occasional glib remark that occasionally pops up on this board)

    thanks again....

  2. If they didn't have a 12AU7, then they probably didn't even pull it out of the socket, so it is probably still in the right place.

    My guess is that all the new tubes you put in were of worse quality than the original ones that were in there. You did get the old ones back from the repairman didn't you? If not, he's probably gonna re-sell them, or at least re-use them. :D If you got them back, put them back in, swapping out 1 at a time and hunt for the noisy one(s).

    So basically, the only thing that has changed is the new tubes. And crackling and such that you mention is usually attributed to a noisy tube, not necessarily an older tube.

  3. slipknot229

    slipknot229 Guest

    Apr 1, 2000
    inside your head...
    i did the swapping myself since its not brain surgery, and i bought this amp used so i have no idea if the previous owner put the 12AU7 in the wrong place or not. ugh. and i dont think GC lets you return tubes....
  4. downstairs


    May 13, 2001
    Pasadena, MD
    dude, if you switch out the old tubes (you better have your old ones or you got screwed), and if you find a noisy one, bring it back and say they sold you a defective tube.
  5. Muttluk

    Muttluk Guest

    Jan 19, 2000
    Oakland, California
    a 12au7 is interchangable wiht a 12ax7, and 12at7, just some have more gain than others. I dont really think that its important to have a 12au7 in there, but certain people like its lower gain ratio. What kind of tubes were in there before, what did you put into it?
  6. brianrost

    brianrost Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 26, 2000
    Boston, Taxachusetts
    No, the head is supposed to have one 12AU7 in there.

    As others have said, NEVER toss the old tubes when you retube just for situations like this.

    Go through the new tubes one by one looking for the one(s) that are noisy.

    By the way, preamp tubes last a long, long time...20 years is not unreasonable. Unless the amp sounded bad when you got it, you probably didn't need to retube it.
  7. Tapp


    Aug 29, 2001
    USA, Mississippi

    If the preamp calls for a 12AU7 I would stick with that number. It is true that the AX7 and AU7 are interchangeable as far as their basing but they are very different in their gain characteristics and the amount of current they draw. I would switch tubes one by one until you find the noisy one. Brand new tubes can be microphonic right out of the box and can cause problems.

    I suggest to all tube users to buy your tubes from reputable sources that actually test for microphonics and current match output tubes. Two such sources are Jim McShane in Illinois and Lord Valve (NBS electronics) in Denver. You can do a net search for these guys and either one of them will treat you right and stand behind there products! They both cater to the musical instrument crowd.

  8. I had an SVT4 pro and it had 3 Sovtek 12AX7WA tubes in it.
    I screwed around with diffeent ones and always went back to those.
    I now have an Eden preamp with 1 tube. Guess what it is? a Sov. 12AX7WA. I fooled around with switching it out with a Mullard, Telefunken,Jan Phillips, NOS GE, NOS RCA, Sov. WB, and a NOS Sylvania.
    The one that sounded best was the original WA. Next was the Jan Phillips, Sylvania, then the NOS stuff.
    The new preamps seem to be built around the Sov. WA sound.
    I'll bet my shoes that your tubes are just fine, and don't need replacing at all.
    The 12AU7s usually are driver or gain stage tubes.
    I never heard of changing that one at all.
    If you use all 12AU7's, or 12AT7's, you will get a much lower gain, but they don't have any character to their sound. Lifeless.
  9. slipknot229

    slipknot229 Guest

    Apr 1, 2000
    inside your head... you all think i can return the tubes or at least exchange them? another thing, i wasn't necessarily asking of the 12AX7 and 12AU7 were interchangable, but rather IS THERE A SPECIFIC SPOT FOR IT SINCE IT IS A POWER AMP TRIODE. thanks a lot for the help, everyone....this is why i love talkbass....:D
  10. Yes, there is a specific spot for the 12AU7. It's not a power triode, it's just a small signal dual triode like the 12AX7, just with different characteristics. Consult the manual to see exactly which socket it goes in.

  11. slipknot229

    slipknot229 Guest

    Apr 1, 2000
    inside your head...
    hey, throbbinnut, the manual doesn't state where the tube goes because if it did i wouldn't be askin'!:D thanks though.....BTW, Tom Robbins is a great author! Still Life With Woodpecker is an awsome novel. I picked it up on a recommendation before i went to hawaii for the summer and i was pleasently surprised that a good portion of the novel takes place in the town of Lahaina....a 5 min drive from my hotel! (this person had no idea i was plannin on going to hawaii)....pretty cool.